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Old 08-13-2006, 02:06 AM     Post subject: 3betting #1 (permalink)  
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When is it a good idea to 3bet? I seem to do it with my good but vulnerable hands which I'm not sure is ideal or not. It seems like the only time they get called preflop is by AA and on the flop is by the near nuts.

***** Hand History for Game 4934503806 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, August 12, 17:59:17 ET 2006
Table Table 106779 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Holmesy1978 ( $151.30 )
Seat 3: grandma772 ( $136.45 )
Seat 6: Uninuts59 ( $104.90 )
Seat 5: Ala_Kazam ( $105.65 )
Seat 4: BountyKlla ( $86.10 )
Holmesy1978 posts small blind [ $0.50 ].
grandma772 posts big blind [ $1 ].

Holecards:
Dealt to grandma772 [:Qc: :Ad: ]
FOLD BountyKlla
FOLD Ala_Kazam
RAISE Uninuts59, $3
FOLD Holmesy1978
RAISE grandma772 , $8
CALL Uninuts59, $6

Flop: (Pot: $18.5)
[ :Ac: ]
BET grandma772 , $13
RAISE Uninuts59, $30
ALL-IN grandma772
FOLD Uninuts59
grandma772 does not show cards.
grandma772 wins $173.95



***** Hand History for Game 4920852585 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 10, 20:08:00 ET 2006
Table Table 108715 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: LLBanka ( $146.59 )
Seat 2: DorsiaAt8 ( $109.10 )
Seat 3: FishEKat ( $127.30 )
Seat 6: grandma772 ( $104.65 )
Seat 5: aw1363win ( $76.70 )
grandma772 posts small blind [ $0.50 ].
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DorsiaAt8 is sitting out.
FishEKat posts big blind [ $1 ].

Holecards:
Dealt to grandma772 [ ]
FOLD aw1363win
RAISE grandma772 , $2.50
CALL FishEKat, $2

Flop: (Pot: $6)
[ ]
BET grandma772 , $5
RAISE FishEKat, $15
RAISE grandma772 , $40
FOLD FishEKat
grandma772 does not show cards.
grandma772 wins $65


This one was bad by me, I should have smooth called since I had position but my hand was vulnerable - I thought I could get a call by a lower flush but it didn't work out.

***** Hand History for Game 4920792435 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, August 10, 20:00:36 ET 2006
Table Table 108714 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: I_MAX_RAISE ( $93.90 )
Seat 2: king__b ( $106.06 )
Seat 4: floatdaboat5 ( $95.75 )
Seat 5: bjarvo ( $172.52 )
Seat 6: nafanya ( $79.20 )
Seat 3: grandma772 ( $115.53 )
bjarvo posts small blind [ $0.50 ].
I_MAX_RAISE posts big blind [ $1 ].

Holecards:
Dealt to grandma772 [ ]
RAISE grandma772 , $3
FOLD floatdaboat5
CALL bjarvo, $2.50
FOLD I_MAX_RAISE

Flop: (Pot: $7)
[ ]
CHECK bjarvo
BET grandma772 , $4
CALL bjarvo, $4

Turn: (Pot: $15)
[ ]
CHECK bjarvo
BET grandma772 , $10
RAISE bjarvo, $30
ALL-IN grandma772
FOLD bjarvo
grandma772 does not show cards.
grandma772 wins $151.53
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Old 08-13-2006, 02:09 AM     Post subject: Re: 3betting #2 (permalink)  
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It seems like the only time they get called preflop is by AA
Do it more often then.
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Old 08-13-2006, 02:15 AM     Post subject: Re: 3betting #3 (permalink)  
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It seems like the only time they get called preflop is by AA
Do it more often then.
Keep in mind I'm talking about 3betting not just reraising. So that means I raise someone reraises me - its pretty dangerous to come back over the top at this point preflop with a hand like TT/JJ or AK.
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Old 08-13-2006, 02:18 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Oh, never mind then. This is such a tough question to answer because it's so dependent on who the re-raiser is.
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Old 08-13-2006, 02:37 AM     Post subject: Re: 3betting #5 (permalink)  
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It seems like the only time they get called preflop is by AA
Do it more often then.
Keep in mind I'm talking about 3betting not just reraising. So that means I raise someone reraises me - its pretty dangerous to come back over the top at this point preflop with a hand like TT/JJ or AK.
The situation you described is a 4bet. 3bet is somebody bets, another raise and then the next raise is a 3bet. Preflop if its raised and you reraise thats also a 3bet.

To answer your question I think we need a lot more information about these hands, reads and stats on villain are essential.
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Old 08-13-2006, 04:41 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Assume villains are standard tags who aren't really getting out of line. I am asking if these are good situations to 3bet or if its best to just smooth call and hope to extract more on later streets but also open myself up to getting drawn out on.
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Old 08-13-2006, 05:23 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 you bet 3bet the flop when you know your ahead but you don't want to see the turn.

I bet 3bet when the following conditions are filled:

A. I am almost sure I will have the best of it, or close to it if we get all in on this flop.

B. There are a lot of turns/rivers that can ruin my action.

C. My villain is loose enough to call with hands I beat, or is on a draw of some kind.

D. My villain has some reason to believe I might have a draw (consider flop texture), or if I am almost sure that he's sure that he has the best hand.
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Old 08-13-2006, 05:31 AM #8 (permalink)  
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you bet 3bet the flop when you know your ahead but you don't want to see the turn.

I bet 3bet when the following conditions are filled:

A. I am almost sure I will have the best of it, or close to it if we get all in on this flop.

B. There are a lot of turns/rivers that can ruin my action.

C. My villain is loose enough to call with hands I beat, or is on a draw of some kind.

D. My villain has some reason to believe I might have a draw (consider flop texture), or if I am almost sure that he's sure that he has the best hand.
I like your way of thinking.

I don't like some of those 3-bets in andrews post.
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