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Silly String
Old 09-04-2008, 06:56 PM     Post subject: 3bet pot IP w/ SC #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 17/11 over about 70 hands and has not been involved in any notable pots. He did MR me once from the BU when I raised MP and cbet a J75r flop. I let go of the hand. He buys in for 75BB if it matters. He has only 3bet once at the table & it was 3x->8x just like this time.

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UTG ($34.90)
MP ($115.10)
Hero (Button) ($196.70)
SB ($125.05)
BB ($89.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 7
2 folds, Hero raises $3, 1 fold, BB raises $7, Hero calls $5

Flop: ($16.50) 3, 4, 7 (2 players)
BB bets $13, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($42.50) 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($42.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $68.75 (All-In), Hero calls $68.75

Total pot: $180

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Old 09-04-2008, 07:02 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 what street wanted to make you post this hand?
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Pre & river calls?
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 really

I think the turn is the most interesting street
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:19 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 um, perfect? i dont really know how else to play it better.
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:22 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Pre seems standard as hell to me. In position, probably tight re-raising range for this guy, probably can't let go of overpairs post-flop... definitely call and take a frop. Pity he's not full stackin', but close enough.

I often bet this turn. The board is too dangerous for him to be slowplaying a monster, unless he's really awful. If he has an overpair I don't mind betting there to set up the river bluff, or to get a big pot going for when we hit a 7/two pair/our gutterball. But I'm not married to it - I'd like to hear arguments for checking behind. Are we thinking that his range is probably scared overpairs and overcards, and vs. that range we don't mind letting a card peel and trying to get to showdown..?
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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really

I think the turn is the most interesting street
Really, do you think this is a bet? What am I folding out that I don't have beat already?

To everyone else, sorry if this is remedial. This is outside my comfort zone hence posting the hand. I don't usually call 3bets w/ SCs even IP unless I'm offered great odds(not often). I put him on a high PP or AK given his 3bet frequency. I figure the turn for an attempted CR.

I should have included my image in the OP. My image had been pretty aggro(running 28/23/3, A2S at 50+, 3bet 13%.
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:43 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Are we thinking that his range is probably scared overpairs and overcards, and vs. that range we don't mind letting a card peel and trying to get to showdown..?
this also looks like a missed c/rai w/ an overpair and that is another good reason why we (i) don't really see much merit in betting the turn. we are either beat or hes drawing to 6 outs and im fine giving a free card given our relative hand strength.
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Old 09-04-2008, 07:46 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Looks good to me.

Though I don't think he has an overpair often when he checks the turn, if he does then he's not intending to fold it unless the worst of the worst river card falls and maybe not even then considering your aggro image.

We could bet for protection I guess but it'd suck pretty bad to get c/red.

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I still haven't got straight wether to bet or check behind when having a pair on the turn in a 3bet pot, and villain likely having overcards, and some overpairs going for a c/r.

In this particular hand we have a gutshot as well, so checking behind seems better. But with a lone pair, I usually bet. We never get called by worse, but checking behind just gives a free card to overcards.

With my villains almost never calling A high on the river, and me not hero calling bets on A/K/Q rivers, it seems checking behind on the turn does nothing but giving a free card?
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Old 09-05-2008, 01:36 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I will float with a low pair sometimes, but I get confused on what amount to bet when the villain appears to have given up on his AK? $25 sounds about right to me, but WTF do I know.
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:15 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Old 09-05-2008, 03:25 PM #14 (permalink)  
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totally standard imo. i dont like betting turn at all.
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i dont like betting turn at all.
It depends. Against some folks it's a very easy bet. Against others it's a sometimes bet because they're not going to get free cards from me.
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Old 09-05-2008, 04:44 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Thanks everyone for the input.
Villain had 99 for the turned set and I got coolered. After the first few posts I was sure I posted this too soon after it happened and I didn't have time to gain perspective on the hand. Although it kept nagging at me that I wouldn't have even been in the situation had I not called the 3bet(kinda like calling a TAG w/ KJo). I see how results oriented that is now.
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:08 PM #17 (permalink)  
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 Preflop: 88+/AQ

With 16:1 implied odds and 3:1 pot odds in position, calling is definitely fine.


Flop: JJ-AA/AQ/sometimes 88-TT

There is little implied odds value, so we are mostly calling because we think he is cbetting overcards more often than overpairs he is felting. We also call here to sometimes fold out 88-TT by bluffing on a later street.


Turn: AQ/occasional slowplayed/passive JJ-AA/sometimes 88-TT

WA/WB, no reason to bet.


River: occasional slowplayed JJ-AA/occasional bluff

Clearly an easy call.


I don't see how we can give BB a much wider range since it's 100NL and our opponent has only 3bet once in the last 70 hands. It seems likely this opponent doesn't 3bet a wide range.
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