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Vi-Zer0Skill
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09-01-2007, 03:50 AM
Post subject: 3bet OOP Button v Blind
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Reagan's Kid
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Villain is 22/12 over 120 hands. I haven't made any crazy plays, and neither has he. He has raised several times the last couple of orbits, however. I know nothing about his 3bet calling range.
Villain: ($173.85 in chips)
Hero: ($304.40 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero: [? ?]
3 folds
Villain: raises $6 to $8
Hero: raises $18 to $26
2 folds
Villain: calls $18
Hero's 3bet Range: (A-J+/2-2+/K-2s - K-5s)
*** FLOP *** [Jh 5h 5s]
Hero:
Given my 3bet range in this situation and without history/notes, what hands are you usually...
leading the flop with?
check/folding?
check/raising?
check/calling?
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Originally Posted by Carroters
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bode
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wtf is with that 3-bet range?
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zook
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Yeah, it's way too wide vs. a 20/12. Something more like AQ+/JJ+ and maybe a couple suited aces or sc's when you're feeling frisky is fine.
With no 3-betting history between you, I c-bet this flop 100%. With history you might start mixing in some c/f's, c/c's or c/r's but that's all player dependent.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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I was aware he has a lower PFR, but he had raised several of the previous hands and had the Button. Still, i probably could have taken out some of the smaller pocket pairs.
Actually this leads me to another question: How do you get value from smaller pairs from the Blinds? I feel 3betting them is probably the best way to play them when OOP, but generally villain needs a PFR ~16-18% to make doing so +EV. But against someone like this villain, who has a lower PFR - but not so low that set hunting is the obviously play - do you fold 2-2 - 5-5 PF? (yes i would definitely call an open raise from this same player if i had position or he was opening from UTG/MP)
Back to my OP, with the flop texture so hit/miss i can see why c-betting 100% would be best vs. an opponent without history. Thanks for the feedback zook.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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zook
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I often just flat-call 22-88ish from the blinds. As long as you can occasionally lead or c/r steal when you don't hit a set it's +ev vs. even loose button raisers.
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minSim
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Originally Posted by zook
I often just flat-call 22-88ish from the blinds. As long as you can occasionally lead or c/r steal when you don't hit a set it's +ev vs. even loose button raisers.
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I like that. What's your point of view on what boards we should be looking for to lead? The dry ones or the scary ones? Do you often b/3b as a bluff?
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Da GOAT
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i dont understand preflop action. who was the mystery 2nd folder after your 3bet, yeah im an anal by pointing this out
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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zook
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Originally Posted by minSim
What's your point of view on what boards we should be looking for to lead? The dry ones or the scary ones? Do you often b/3b as a bluff?
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I c/r more than I lead, but when I do lead, it's the scary flops, b/c I'm trying to rep a set or strong draw that's trying to get it in quickly. I almost never b/3b bluff unless I have a very specific read.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Reagan's Kid
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Originally Posted by Da GOAT
i dont understand preflop action. who was the mystery 2nd folder after your 3bet, yeah im an anal by pointing this out
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lol there was a limp/fold preflop. I didn't completely eliminate his actions, apparently.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
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