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Old 11-18-2009, 08:32 PM     Post subject: 3bet 53s IP, flop mp on dry board #1 (permalink)  
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Villain 21/16/4.3 over 600+ hands. He folded to 3bets half the time in that sample, 4bet one time.
Weird enough only read on him is that he c/fed the flop as the PFR on a AKx board, so that's not really helping much.

It felt my hand is so transparant after checking flop and calling turn that I should;
- b/f flop
- or fold turn
- or call turn and call river

Also I didn't really watched betsizing at that moment, but are you reading this 3/4 psb on the river as weighted to a bluff as well?
I'm sorry but I didn't see his timing on the river.

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MP ($53.80)
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Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 3
1 fold, MP bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP calls $3

Flop: ($9.75) 5, 2, 8 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.75) 8 (2 players)
MP bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($21.75) 9 (2 players)
MP bets $15, Hero folds
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Old 11-21-2009, 03:36 AM #2 (permalink)  

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If you're going to 3bet a hnad like that, you need to keep control of this hand. If you've ever watched any videos from Raptor. When he 3bets this light in position and flops mid to bottom pair, he always bets the flop.

The reason is, you don't want to open yourself up to bluffs when you have medium showdown value. Checking behind does this because people always check behind this flop with just ace highs.
WHen you check behind this flop, thats all you repesent.

If you do check behind, you have to make a small raise when he leads into you. In this instance he bet out 6$. Id raise it really small to 14 and fold to a 3bet. The reason I'd do that is because I would expect him to shutdown with hands that are slightly ahead of us, and fold out his bluffs.

It's not ideal..Which is why I like betting the flop better. However, it does prevent him from bluffing into us on the river.

But at 50nl, you really don't need to bet 3betting with hands like these. Calling in position is fine and raising his cbet, or floating and betting the turn is almost as effective as the moeny you're going to win by 3betting light.

Hope that helps.
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:19 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I woulda played it identical. It looks like you're never folding the river after you call that turn. Good flop check, good river fold.
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:21 AM #4 (permalink)  
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The reason I'd do that is because I would expect him to shutdown with hands that are slightly ahead of us, and fold out his bluffs.
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The reason I'd do that is because I would expect him to shutdown with hands that are slightly ahead of us, and fold out his bluffs.
sick reasoning
I agree that its poor reasoning. But thats why I would bet the flop. By raising the turn, we can make a bluff on certain rivers and most importantly, if we flat the turn, we open ourselves up to bluffs that where we can't stand the heat. So folding out bluffs in this spot, isnt that bad.
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Old 11-21-2009, 05:08 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 11-21-2009, 02:24 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Fold to the 3/4 pot bet but I'd probably Hero call if he bet like $20 or $21
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Old 11-21-2009, 03:08 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I woulda played it identical. It looks like you're never folding the river after you call that turn. Good flop check, good river fold.
hmm really? I always think the opposite, it looks like we have AK/AQ here and that we're always folding the river?

hmmm

I get very tempted to call in these spots. And yah I play the hand the same as OP. checking flop is good, we can't stand a c/r that well and we have bd flush draw which we really want to see.

I like the line/hand. River I'm not sure though, folding can't be too bad. Timing of his bets? Timing of your turn call?
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Old 11-21-2009, 03:12 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I woulda played it identical. It looks like you're never folding the river after you call that turn. Good flop check, good river fold.
hmm really? I always think the opposite, it looks like we have AK/AQ here and that we're always folding the river?

hmmm

I get very tempted to call in these spots. And yah I play the hand the same as OP. checking flop is good, we can't stand a c/r that well and we have bd flush draw which we really want to see.

I like the line/hand. River I'm not sure though, folding can't be too bad. Timing of his bets? Timing of your turn call?
Finally for once I'm not the one making the mistake of giving players too much credit!

Don't forget grif, it's 50nl. This opponent doesn't realize that it looks like we're never folding so we will fold. Everyone at 50nl calls this spot when the river pairs the board. No way villain is a level ahead here unless hes quite good--which is very unlikely.
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