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06-21-2009, 06:40 AM
Post subject: 3b pot barrel/semibluff
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Villain is an 18/16 with a 42% ATS over 80 but I haven't 3b him yet, so I think my first 3b should get credit
I would of course prefer 47s
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($101)
MP ($75.55)
Button ($100)
SB ($103)
Hero (BB) ($101.85)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 , 7
3 folds, SB bets $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $6
Flop: ($18) 7 , 8, A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11, SB calls $11
Turn: ($40) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22
My reasoning is that since he called my 3b he probably doesn't have AK or QQ+
furthermore, he'd probably raise an ace high/flush draw/straight draw board with a set or a draw
so his most likely cards are AQ, AJ, 99-JJ by the turn
I should fold out 99-JJ, possibly AJ
if he decides to call the turn, he should probably decide to play for stacks if I hit my 5 outer on the river (I will shove river for sure if he checks to me)
how do you like it, and how do you like my plan if I hit my 5 outer?
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thizzSantaCruz
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Please 3 bet with a hand with equity. You have waited 80 hands, why not wait some more. Its also a blind battle, your not going to fold out any aces with a 3 barrel.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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griffey24
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06-21-2009, 07:53 PM
Post subject: Re: 3b pot barrel/semibluff
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Originally Posted by iopq
over 80 but I haven't 3b him yet, so I think my first 3b should get credit
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For this reason, when he does call pre, he probably has a stronger range than if you had 3bet him 4 times already and he finally called one.
I'd probably just shut down, he's not even that loose pre to begin with. Check turn and hope to spike your outs.
I'd probably triple barrel here if I was going to try to take this down though.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
Please 3 bet with a hand with equity. You have waited 80 hands, why not wait some more. Its also a blind battle, your not going to fold out any aces with a 3 barrel.
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yeah but then I'll pick up aces and not get any action
isn't there value in 3bing once every say 30-50 hands when a 3b is probably neutral EV or even slightly negative EV just so my 3b % is non 0 on peoples' huds?
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thizzSantaCruz
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Please 3 bet with a hand with equity. You have waited 80 hands, why not wait some more. Its also a blind battle, your not going to fold out any aces with a 3 barrel.
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yeah but then I'll pick up aces and not get any action
isn't there value in 3bing once every say 30-50 hands when a 3b is probably neutral EV or even slightly negative EV just so my 3b % is non 0 on peoples' huds? |
You will probably pick up a J8s type of hand before you get AA so just wait for that. 47o is pretty difficult to play oop in an inflated pot.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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Please 3 bet with a hand with equity. You have waited 80 hands, why not wait some more. Its also a blind battle, your not going to fold out any aces with a 3 barrel.
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yeah but then I'll pick up aces and not get any action
isn't there value in 3bing once every say 30-50 hands when a 3b is probably neutral EV or even slightly negative EV just so my 3b % is non 0 on peoples' huds? |
You will probably pick up a J8s type of hand before you get AA so just wait for that. 47o is pretty difficult to play oop in an inflated pot. |
The reason I did this is because I'm in position
J8s is good enough to flat IP
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Galapogos
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Please 3 bet with a hand with equity. You have waited 80 hands, why not wait some more. Its also a blind battle, your not going to fold out any aces with a 3 barrel.
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yeah but then I'll pick up aces and not get any action
isn't there value in 3bing once every say 30-50 hands when a 3b is probably neutral EV or even slightly negative EV just so my 3b % is non 0 on peoples' huds? |
You will probably pick up a J8s type of hand before you get AA so just wait for that. 47o is pretty difficult to play oop in an inflated pot. |
The reason I did this is because I'm in position
J8s is good enough to flat IP |
J8s really isn't a good enough hand to call IP with.
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I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Please 3 bet with a hand with equity. You have waited 80 hands, why not wait some more. Its also a blind battle, your not going to fold out any aces with a 3 barrel.
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yeah but then I'll pick up aces and not get any action
isn't there value in 3bing once every say 30-50 hands when a 3b is probably neutral EV or even slightly negative EV just so my 3b % is non 0 on peoples' huds? |
You will probably pick up a J8s type of hand before you get AA so just wait for that. 47o is pretty difficult to play oop in an inflated pot. |
The reason I did this is because I'm in position
J8s is good enough to flat IP |
J8s really isn't a good enough hand to call IP with. |
Why? This is bvb. That means he should be opening a wide range, I have a super playable hand, it costs me 2BB to call into a pot of 6BB.
I have 70% attempt to steal from SB, do you think it's profitable to flat J8s when I'm opening like J2s?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by iopq
I have 70% attempt to steal from SB, do you think it's profitable to flat J8s when I'm opening like J2s?
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I really don't think most people are opening J2s from the SB, nor do I think they should be. I think too many ppl get carried away opening the SB when they will be OOP the entire hand when called. It's not the end of the world folding in the SB!
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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I have 70% attempt to steal from SB, do you think it's profitable to flat J8s when I'm opening like J2s?
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I really don't think most people are opening J2s from the SB, nor do I think they should be. I think too many ppl get carried away opening the SB when they will be OOP the entire hand when called. It's not the end of the world folding in the SB! |
no I try to open less from the SB, but when I see 18/16 for the BB player on my hud I just can't help myself
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