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Marshall28

04-25-2009, 03:30 AM Post subject: 3 pretty tough spots 200nl deep

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Villain is the same in all three. He was playing fairly straightforward, not 3betting very much, but had been c/r quite a few flops. Up to this point he had given up a couple times after c/r and followed through, none went to showdown.

I feel like I shoulda folded the turn... Now I feel like I should definitely fold the river....

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($585.50)
Hero (Button) ($800)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, 10

Hero bets $5, SB calls $4

Flop: ($12) 9

, Q

, 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises $24, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($60) 8

(2 players)
SB bets $52, Hero calls $52

River: ($164) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $122

Total pot: $164

I really don't think I beat anything on the river in this second one ... Though I considered bluff shoving all in...

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($923)
SB ($409.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, 4

Hero bets $5, SB calls $4

Flop: ($12) 7

, 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises $24, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($60) 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, SB calls $50

River: ($160) 8

(2 players)
SB bets $110

Total pot: $160

Villain had been floating a lot after flatting my 3bets in position, he also hadn't 4bet once. I feel like he can't really bet this river without a very strong hand, almost all of which would have raised the turn....

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (2 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($500.75)
Hero (SB) ($880.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, Q

Button bets $5, Hero raises $20, Button calls $16

Flop: ($44) 5

, 7

, J

(2 players)
Hero bets $32, Button calls $32

Turn: ($108) 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $88, Button calls $88

River: ($284) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $230

Total pot: $284

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griffey24

04-25-2009, 01:12 PM

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If a guy isn't 3betting that much, then I'm probably more likely to believe his flop c/r are stronger than usual.

Hand 1 - yah I guess I peel one HU, but given turn card and turn sizing I probably drop it there. River is a tough, since he probably puts you on Qx never folding... prob fold here too.

Hand 2 - This line is soo weird.. I guess it looks like Tx not wanting to get raised on turn and blocking river? I have no clue.. weird.... I probably call out of confusion.

Hand 3 - If villain is floating a lot, then he can def get to river with AQ/KQ type hands, so I might c/c here. Otherwise I might just bet like 180ish on river.

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04-25-2009, 02:20 PM

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Marshall28

04-25-2009, 10:44 PM

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Nobody ever responds in the HU forum, otherwise I would have put it there...

Marshall28

04-27-2009, 06:16 AM

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Nobody else has any thought ?

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04-27-2009, 09:43 AM

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Hand 1 - I think folding the turn is best and even the flop but that is more player dependent. If I had good reads on the player and thought he was capable of folding 10 7, J10 and QK etc on the river I would not mind a shove, but I guess nobody folds anything nowadays.

Hand 2 - I'd fold river as played, we beat like non of his 10's that are value towning us even non boated. He could even be doing this with a flush if he is bad ;-\

Hand 3 - Preflop I think calling is better but thats just me personally. Im not sure on the river, I feel so nitty electing for a third fold. I don't think he ever has a 5 unless it was 5x spades but I'd think he'd have to raise the flop or turn.

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04-27-2009, 10:55 AM

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Hand 1 - I don't even think about folding the flop, given we're in position and he'll give a lot away about his hand on the turn before we have to make a decision. judging by his betsizing I'd say he looks like he wants to build a pot on the turn, and would probably dump it there. On the river the Q is a really poor card for him to expect you to fold on, as there are a lot of Qx's in your range, which he won't expect you to fold. I think he expects you to call. The only hands in your range that would in his mind fold to the river are maybe 78 and JJ/1010, and thats so narrow.

Hand 2 - I'd probably 3 bet the flop and hope he knows yeti theorem. As played, this is such a strange line to take with a flush or a non boated ten...88 i guess would make sense though I'd assume he'd C/R river....I'd probably call because his line doesn't really make that much sense. Don't really like the idea of bluffshoving - He'll be getting pretty good pot odds and I dont think he'll be folding anything that he's betting for value that beats you, given the pot odds he'll be getting.

Hand 3 - As played I check insta call river. The only hand I can see him having that beats you (assuming he plays straightforward) are KJ/AJ....you say he floats a lot, he could have KQ/AQ/ missed flushdraw. His range is so wide here that I think you have to call, He has a lot more missed draws/floats than value hands here...given he didn't raise the flop or turn on such a draw heavy board.

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04-28-2009, 12:56 AM

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On the 2nd one, his hand feels like exactly JT/T9 w/out a club. What else can actually c/c the turn then value bet this river? I think it's safe to say he's never ever ever bluffing after c/c the turn. And his hand looks relatively pretty weak, so if his hand was as strong as a boat, I don't see why he wouldn't c/r the river. It makes a ton more sense for me to have a hand than for him to have a hand, and it makes a ton more sense to expect I'm going to bet ... in which case I really feel like shoving is probably the best play. I guess only real question is, does he fold T9/JT?

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04-28-2009, 03:03 AM

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Hand 1: Fold turn. (P.S. I know you have an 8 out straight draw)
Hand 2: I think its close simply because the line is weird, id fold.
Hand 3: I wouldn't threebet pre especially this deep. That being said I'd bet the river and expect to get hero called here enough since your winning a large amount of the time already I would think. I'm really hoping its not KJ/AJ.

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