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Old 12-28-2007, 08:30 AM     Post subject: 3 HH - Time for a snap call or a nitty fold? #1 (permalink)  
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I really don't know which it is but its def one of the above

hand 3 I think he has aces/AK with ace of hearts... i can either push turn or try to call for value? but i didnt realize that till river. barf.

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Hero ($99)
BB ($85.55)
UTG ($22.50)
MP ($107.95)
CO ($66.20)
Button ($92.35)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A.
1 fold, MP raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, MP calls $12.

Flop: ($33) K, 8, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP calls $18.

Turn: ($69) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $66, Hero ????


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MP ($173.30)
CO ($92.95)
Button ($206.90)
SB ($103.40)
Hero ($194.65)
UTG ($76)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
4 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($8) 9, A, 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $15, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($38) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($38) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $44, Hero ???



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BB ($100)
UTG ($134.10)
Hero ($126.15)
CO ($84.45)
Button ($112.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
UTG raises to $3, Hero calls $3, CO calls $3, 1 fold, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($13) , , (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $8, Hero calls $8, CO folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($29) (2 players)
UTG bets $22, Hero calls $22.

River: ($73) (2 players)
UTG bets $101.1 (All-In), Hero ??
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Old 12-28-2007, 09:17 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I likely bet the turn. As played I probably raise.

Hand 2 3-bet pre, he likely calls light BvB. As played call the river, he has AQ or air often enough.

Hand 3 You are probably right villain has Ah quite often. River is difficult, you might have to lay it down. Air and and Jh aren't impossible though, but it's hard to say he has it often enough.
I would have raised the turn.
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 hand 1: b/c turn, as played shove it in
hand 2: 3 bet pre, bet turn, shove river as played.
hand 3: raise flop bet turn bet river, as played raise turn, as played fold river
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 checking with the intentions of getting it in here are fine. Checking with intentions of folding in this spot is never good.

Hand 2 reraise preflop. As played bet the turn (you are almost never behind here) and call the river.

Hand 3 Fold preflop versus tighties. Raise the flop. Go allin on the turn. Fold the river because he doesn't have the Jh.
 
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ISF why should we be raising the flop in hand 3?
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ISF why should we be raising the flop in hand 3?

I think hand 3 is really depenant on the image the villain has. If he could stack off on a third heart calling is fine, we possibly can string along another caller and we get to see if we hit. If the implied odds aren't there and our opponent will have a hard time stacking off on another heart raising is best.
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 listen to ISF

except, i dont shove the river on the AK hand and also you really need to bet the flop harder on the AA hand (unless you really think he's aggro it'll induce a bluff much more often [although sometimes it just won't matter whether you bet 18 or 25 there in terms of how many times he'll raise/shove])
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Old 12-28-2007, 06:28 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 - bet/call. If he has KK or JT then nh. As played, push

Hand 2 - I don't mind how this was played. I snap call river as played. Betting turn is ok as well.

Hand 3 - Raise the flop, our equity is so strong and another heart will kill our action. As played, raise the turn! We have to raise either the flop or turn here to build a pot! As played, yah fold river, gross.
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ISF why should we be raising the flop in hand 3?

I think hand 3 is really depenant on the image the villain has. If he could stack off on a third heart calling is fine, we possibly can string along another caller and we get to see if we hit. If the implied odds aren't there and our opponent will have a hard time stacking off on another heart raising is best.
There are still 2 players behind us on the flop, which we don't really mind to get along....especially if someone is on a lower FD. Also raising folds out hands like KJ, JJ, TT maybe QQ which we might get another bet from on future streets. And sets, AK and AA will likely push the flop.

If raising flop is just for building a pot when we hit our FD I doubt it's more EV than calling and letting worse hands in. I'm not sure though.
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 Hand 1 is a b/c, what hand does he get to the turn with in this manner in a 3bet pot that beats you?

Hand 2 I don't mind flatting for deception, but realize your range still looks v v weak, meaning he's betting a lot worse on the end here.

Hand 3 I don't mind PF again, wouldn't even mind 3betting if he's a loose opener. If you don't raise the flop I don't know if I like raising turn either. Flop is an obv. raise in terms of our equity vs. his perceived range.

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 As a general note, you seem to be too passive with your great hands.

1 - b/c turn

2- 3bet pre, i dont mind the rest of the hand, just call river

3- you need to raise either flop or turn, id raise this flop 80% of the time, you have amazing equity and you want to build a pot. Unlike most, I do not think river is an easy fold, it's really read dependant imo.
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 He's repping like one hand in hand 3, AhKx and that's probably not enough to make me fold.
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He's repping like one hand in hand 3, AhKx and that's probably not enough to make me fold.
Tell me one hand in his range he's bluffing.

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Old 12-29-2007, 09:45 AM #14 (permalink)  
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No info about our hero or the opp, but here is my general reply.

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1) b/c and shove as played, just make sure that your 3bet range isnt only AA/KK. Many will ignore all odds if they smell a stacking.

2) I would 3bet pre aswell as played call, as it's a blinds war I dont mind the check behind on the turn if you think he will jump on the river, with that in mind I cant fold now. The bet size at the river is strange, it looks like one of those compensation bets for checking the turn but without any info I cant realy tell.

3) You got a monster, but as it's a utg raise, he is betting vs 4 callers and you got 2 to act behind you, I think calling is fine. Also you have him on a very narrow range later on and with that in mind, when he bet 22$ into you, raise! It looks like a big hand, set/AK/AA with the Ah your pick and here you got him big time. There are so many bad river cards for you that even if you dont end up behind is going to kill your action. If you think he is going to fold his (ex AAh) on the turn why wouldnt he be able to do that on the river aswell? Atleast on the turn he has outs.
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:40 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 bet more on flop, bet/call turn


snap call river



raise turn all in as played fold
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