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revolvingiris

12-05-2009, 06:00 AM Post subject: 3 hands from same villain, HUSNGs

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Continuing to focus on HU...I ended up playing this villain in 3 matches. He was very aggro starts are:
VPIP PFR AGG
villain-80 36 2.9
me-52 42 2.1

Reads: He would basically just bet, like always. I did have some difficulty with this but it may just have been from running poorly or he was just better then me. He would float almost every flop and a lot of turns. If he has a pair at all he was calling. Any top pair hand he was calling bigger bets and smaller pairs he would call value bets (lol is that a read?). In our first match I gave him a 2-1 chip lead from calling with A high both times (his line didnt make sense to me). Then after that match I adjusted and played a more tight aggressive/station style. He did semi adjust and began slow playing more.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11.5 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1274)
Hero (SB) (t1726)

Hero's M: 23.01

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, K

Hero calls t25, BB bets t150, Hero calls t100

Flop: (t300) J

, 5

, 8

(2 players)
BB bets t100, Hero calls t100

Turn: (t500) 3

(2 players)
BB bets t150, Hero calls t150

River: (t800) A

(2 players)
BB bets t300, Hero calls t300

Total pot: t1400

This seems standard to me but I dont know if it is. I figured if I just let him bet he would pay me off. Where if I raised any it kind of takes all bluffs out of his range. Then the river A hits I am mixed. I think he is capable of betting this turn with A high so it is a bit of a scare card.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11.5 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) (t1230)
SB (t1770)

Hero's M: 16.40

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9

, 8

SB calls t25, Hero checks

Flop: (t100) 4

, 9

, K

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t100, Hero raises to t300, SB calls t200

Turn: (t700) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t500, Hero raises to t880 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: t1700

I chose to check the flop thinking I was good here a decent % of the time. He was barreling very frequently when checked into so I thought it was a good way to extract some value. I chose to make a raise (thoughts on sizing? I wanted to extract and protect at the same time) to try and protect my hand. The river brought an A and I actually thought this was a good card. I didn't think he was just limping an A pf and a K seemed unlikely with how he played flop but I also thought if I checked he would barrel again if I made it look like I was just 3betting flop light. So the check was for value and I thought I was good a pretty decent % of the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t2240)
BB (t760)

Hero's M: 49.78

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, K

Hero bets t90, BB calls t60

Flop: (t180) 10

, 8

, 7

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t180) 9

(2 players)
BB bets t120, Hero calls t120

River: (t420) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t90, BB calls t90

Total pot: t600

This hand came after I had made my adjustment to more fit or fold. I knew he would pay off more hands/was kind of station-y which is why I checked flop. Turn is kind of a bad card for me as it completes some draws but again this guy was capable of betting pretty much anything. I kind of came to the conclusion that I wasn't going to make plays without an ok pair. If he didnt have T or straight then I get two streets of value by just calling. The river brought my trips and he checks. I don't think he ever checks here with the intention to raise so I guess he is on some weaker 1 pair type hand. I chose to throw out a a smaller value bet hoping to get paid.

Overall I think I played pretty OK for being new to these. Hopefully I can start gaining a deeper knowledge for the game as my post flop play itself has become more comfortable (even if it isn't good).

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chrisa

12-05-2009, 09:40 AM

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I'm trying to learn HU as well so I might as well post my thoughts here to help and be helped.

First hand I like to raise on the flop. The board has a few straight draws there and villain seems like the floaty, non-believer type who would call a raise with a wide range there so you should try get value. Perhaps raise to 300-350 and shove turn? You might tempt villain into a hero call.

I don't particular like the flop raise in the second hand. You're bloating the pot with a mediocre hand. If he is a very aggro player, I'd just let him bluff off his chips with air while trying to keep the pot smallish.

Third hand seems standard.

By the way, HUDs are pretty much useless in heads up games in my opinion.

revolvingiris

12-05-2009, 07:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisa

By the way, HUDs are pretty much useless in heads up games in my opinion.

I agree to an extent. I am currently single tabling these but there is a lot to remember when playing someone HU. Those were just the standard stats. I also have like turn/river barreling frequency, bluff%, c/r% etc.

http://www.anskypoker.com/2008/12/wr...-for-heads-up/

This is an interesting article I found when dealing with HUD and HU play.

chrisa

12-06-2009, 04:08 AM

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How does the HUD figure out bluff percentage?

revolvingiris

12-06-2009, 06:52 PM

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If your asking for the calculation I have no idea. The HEM forums are very active and pretty knowledgeable in terms of their responses. I'm sure someone could give you a better answer than I could.

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12-06-2009, 10:22 PM

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Why are you limp/calling the KJs?

As played just get it in with TP 20bb deep ldo. If he's going to barrel all the time, then calling down is fine. I'd still raise his min turn bet just so you can get it in by the river.

89... you think you're ahead of his betting range - do you also think you're ahead of his bet/calling range? If you do then you're probably wrong - because wth do you expect him to call with? If you don't then there's no point in check/raising. Just lead imo, or c/c... all options are better then check/raising.

K9 - if he's never ever folding to a flop bet... then a bet is still +EV... I guess if you truly have no fold equity then checking is fine. You don't even need him to fold 1/5 of the time to make a bet profitable - in case you get called you still have 25% equity going to the turn against 1 pair hands, and you're going to see a river often enough.

On the river either bet properly or don't bet at all. What's the plan? Bet/folding? then I'd rather not re-open the betting at all. Bet/calling? - then you're getting very little value when you're ahead, but pay off the maximum when you're behind.

There is no such thing as a bluff% in the HEM HUD.
You're prolly thinking about the steal%.
Please read up on what the stuff in your HUD means... otherwise how is it supposed to help you?

revolvingiris

12-08-2009, 07:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by oskar

Why are you limp/calling the KJs?

Because it is a hand that flops well and I didn't want to get 3bet off of it. I figured my best chance at extraction was to call IP and evaluate flop. This villain would have 3bet me light so I could have 4bet jammed but this line seemed to have more variance than just limp/calling.

I can see how raising the turn would have been a good play vs this villain. I just thought with his weak turn bet any raise would have caused him to fold where as if I just call he will bet the river a decent amount. The river hit his range pretty hard but I will be good here more than 27% of the time so I called.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oskar

89... you think you're ahead of his betting range - do you also think you're ahead of his bet/calling range? If you do then you're probably wrong - because wth do you expect him to call with? If you don't then there's no point in check/raising. Just lead imo, or c/c... all options are better then check/raising.

Yeah I thought I was ahead of his calling range. He would call raises with air just to try and take it down on later streets. I wouldnt make this play without having a solid read. Here was the goal of the hand: "How can I get villain to double me up when he has nothing"? My answer was to bloat the pot and then check to him so I could check/shove. I figured at least on the turn or river he would fire so I had a high % of the play working barring he didn't hit a better pair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oskar

K9 - if he's never ever folding to a flop bet... then a bet is still +EV... I guess if you truly have no fold equity then checking is fine. You don't even need him to fold 1/5 of the time to make a bet profitable - in case you get called you still have 25% equity going to the turn against 1 pair hands, and you're going to see a river often enough.

I didn't want to get check raised where I would be forced to stack off or fold. He would have still paid me off if I hit so I just didn't see the need to bet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oskar

On the river either bet properly or don't bet at all. What's the plan? Bet/folding? then I'd rather not re-open the betting at all. Bet/calling? - then you're getting very little value when you're ahead, but pay off the maximum when you're behind.

I don't know what is betting properly is in this situation. I felt he had a weak hand compared to what the board was showing and I wanted to get value. I know he is bluffy so if he raised me I would more than likely bet/shove and expect to be good a decent % of the time.

And thanks for correcting my post. I indeed meant steal %.

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12-08-2009, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisa

By the way, HUDs are pretty much useless in heads up games in my opinion.

This, and its exactly the reason why I play HUSNGs.

And the hands are played fine btw, but in the third hand I'd bet harder on the river, maybe half pot. But in meta I'm always betting like that, I very rarely do suckin bets like that one because its just not profgitable longterm imo, but I mayb wrong.

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12-13-2009, 06:20 AM

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1. if you get 3b off KJs it's usually a good thing
if you limp/call and he has JJ+,AJ+,KQ you would have preferred to fold pre
that is unless he's been 3bing you a lot, but even then you could 4b shove profitably

also, there is more value in raising it because people call with worse hands like KT, QT, JT and felt top pair

on the flop he bets like a bitch so I would ignore the fact that he bet and raise to 300/get it in

2. your hand is strong, but not strong to c/r for value
it's also not ideal to semibluff with a hand that is this strong
I would c/c flop and consider calling turn depending on his flop tendencies since good players will check back ace high on this board a bit.
3. I wouldn't check back here I would felt the flop with any 9x for any x>5

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