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Old 12-14-2006, 04:52 AM     Post subject: 3 hands at $50NL on Stars #1 (permalink)  
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 1) I hate EVERY street in this, so I figured I should post and find out what I should have done. Looking back, I wish I had reraised preflop, but pelion says I should have instafolded this preflop instead. So now I'm just confused ...

No reads. He didn't seem overly tight. Only thing I've seen him do so far is semi bluff an OESD.

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UTG ($126.05)
MP ($46.50)
CO ($47.45)
Button ($46)
SB ($47.50)
Hero ($72.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q.
1 fold, MP raises to $1.4, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.90.

Flop: ($3.05) A, 6, K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $2, Hero raises to $5, MP calls $3.

Turn: ($13.05) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: ($21.05) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $8, Hero calls $8.

Final Pot: $37.05


2) Is it okay to bet the flop and turn? By the time he called the turn, I figured he was on a flush draw too and wasn't surprised to see a bet on the river. Is the check/call okay?

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BB ($128.80)
UTG ($46.50)
MP ($47.75)
CO ($46.15)
Button ($48)
Hero ($63.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 9.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) T, 8, 3 (4 players)
Hero bets $1.5, BB folds, UTG calls $1.50, CO folds.

Turn: ($5) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.5, UTG calls $3.50.

River: ($12) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $9, Hero calls $9.

Final Pot: $30


3) No reads, pretty new to the table. Am I supposed to call this?

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MP ($136.05)
CO ($37.30)
Button ($29.05)
SB ($5.70)
BB ($20.60)
Hero ($77.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J.
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, SB raises to $5.7, BB calls $5.20, Hero folds.



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Old 12-14-2006, 05:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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1) Yeah, raise preflop. As you did it, I dont mind your postflop play.
2) I really dont think this as bad as you think it is. Its borderline genius, even though you feel stupid doing it. Villain will bet a worse hand than he'll call. I do wonder whether you can raise that river but thats up to you. It might be a good spot for the check/minraise. Not only is the call OK, folding would be criminal. You'll see an 8 here a lot and feel like youve missed value. But I dont know that you have.
3) Without a read, no don't call that.

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Old 12-14-2006, 05:21 AM #3 (permalink)  
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To expand on #1: You absolutely can't complain about getting a decent hand to showdown for that cheaply.
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Old 12-14-2006, 05:27 AM #4 (permalink)  
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1. I 3-bet pre-flop. As played I think check-raising is fine although I raise more. I like my re-raises to be around 3x or a little more. Betting less gives drawing hands odds that are too good. I also lead out on the turn. His call isn't overly concerning and I don't think there is reason enough to slow down just because a potential flush draw is completed, especially when you have a re-draw to the 2nd nut flush. If he raises you then you can re-evaluate. I'd also check the river for pot control. If you bet you're mostly likely going to be splitting the pot if called. It also gives worse hands a chance to bluff and better hands are going to get less value.

2. I'd check this most of the time. If I had a higher flush draw I'd be more inclined to lead out on this flop. It's just so hard to play a hand like this OOP. As played though I definately bet the turn. I'd bet closer to the pot though. I'd bet at least $4 and most of the time just go ahead and pot it. I like the check-call on the river.

3. Good fold. You don't want to make a habit of playing trap hands against a 3-bet, especially without a read. Even with position and the extra money from the cold-caller I'd fold this with little thought.
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Old 12-14-2006, 05:27 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 3) How are you up 1/2 a buy-in?

I would raise to $20 and expect BB to fold, or make a really bad call (i.e. pp you have covered). I would be a lot more comfortable with AQ.
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Old 12-14-2006, 05:34 AM #6 (permalink)  
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3) How are you up 1/2 a buy-in?
what do you mean?



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3) How are you up 1/2 a buy-in?
what do you mean?
I think he means, "what is your image?"
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Old 12-14-2006, 06:27 AM #8 (permalink)  
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3) How are you up 1/2 a buy-in?
what do you mean?
I think he means, "what is your image?"
Maybe he means "girls can't play poker so how can she be winning?"

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I remember when it was just two hands

1.) Meh, calling oop isn't too bad. Like 75/25 raise/call. Shitty CR, i like to 3xor like 6.45 cuz that's a cute numero. Lead turn, you have Qs. River, read dependent... ummm 1/2 pot bbet or cc. I say cc, because you wont have to fold if he raises and u get a showdown, and can figure out if he is teh bluffz0r.

2.)Nit4lifeyo, I fold pre. flop/turn/river cool wit me.

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3) How are you up 1/2 a buy-in?
what do you mean?
I think he means, "what is your image?"
I thought courtie's image was Sexy?


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 1) Yep sometimes you can 3-bet pf, I usually make this read dependent. Don't checkraise this flop for pot control, betting is fine tho.

2)Fine

3)Yes fold pf 90% of the time
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:32 AM #12 (permalink)  
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In regards to Hand 1 -- I'd just lead here, and if you're going to c/r, make it larger than $5 there.
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Old 12-14-2006, 08:35 AM #13 (permalink)  
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3) How are you up 1/2 a buy-in?
what do you mean?
No, he means how are you new to the table with no reads and are up 1/2 buy in?
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Old 12-14-2006, 06:24 PM #14 (permalink)  
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3) How are you up 1/2 a buy-in?
what do you mean?
No, he means how are you new to the table with no reads and are up 1/2 buy in?
It's $50 NL. You can put new players on the table every hand and still make money easily.
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Old 12-14-2006, 06:39 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: It's fine.
Hand 2: Fold pre-flop, check the turn, you must bet that river. Lots of hands other than flush draws play like that and most of them check behind. Bet and fold to a big raise is a far better line against most opponents.
Hand 3: Tempted to gamble. Short-buys are too retarded for me to insta-muck here.
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Old 12-15-2006, 01:55 AM #16 (permalink)  
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I remember when it was just two hands
hahaha

I agree the first hand's check/raise should have been more. I'm surprised that the rest of the hand is "okay" ... I guess I just generally don't like passive play.

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Old 12-15-2006, 04:32 AM #17 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: Fold pre-flop, check turn, bet river.
Hand 3: I'm all-in (seriously).
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Old 12-15-2006, 04:34 AM #18 (permalink)  
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