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dsmrolla06
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05-31-2007, 05:57 AM
Post subject: 3 handed against with top pair
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Full House
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Villain is a 45/19/2 over only 75 hands. Do you call his rr all in?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($153.25)
BB ($140.60)
Button ($47.15)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , 9 .
Button raises to $2, Hero raises to $8.5, 1 fold, Button calls $6.
Flop: ($17.50) 8 , 7, A (2 players)
Hero bets $12.5, Button raises to $39.15 (All-In), Hero??
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benny999
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i think you gotta go with this after you rr pf vs a lag shorty.
but i'd rather have more reads before reraising pre.
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minSim
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Call the push, you're good often enough
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ShowMeAtlas
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I've found that this is often a "ah ffs why did an A have to fall, now my TT is worthless. Fuck it I'm shoving anyway" type bet 
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Da GOAT
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you gotta figure that the draws will play this way but also Ax hands, your ahead of some Ax tho. I call but im never happy coz we aint WA of many hands
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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minSim
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You don't have to be way ahead, you can even be behind pretty often to be winning
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dsmrolla06
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Originally Posted by minSim
You don't have to be way ahead, you can even be behind pretty often to be winning
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This doesnt make any sense
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dsmrolla06
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Board: As 8s 7c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.612% 45.82% 05.79% 48538 6135.00 { Ad9c }
Hand 1: 48.388% 42.60% 05.79% 45122 6135.00 { A2s+, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, QsJs, JsTs, T9s, A2o+, T9o }
Im not really sure TT+ is really in this guys range for pushing here. It probly is a call, but i folded because i didnt feel like i was really beating much that he shoves all in with.
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ChrisBCritter
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3 handed and it's a Loosey goosey Shortstack push? I would call this every time...
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Hey knucklehead! Bonk!
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dsmrolla06
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Originally Posted by ChrisBCritter
3 handed and it's a Loosey goosey Shortstack push? I would call this every time...
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Hes loose but he also hasnt been very aggressive.
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Pelion
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After reraising that much preflop and having that little behind I think you have to be committed to any A flop. I call.
I also probably dont reraise preflop but I might and I think its fine. Just something I probably wouldnt do.
You say he isnt aggressive, and usually an AF of 2 isnt too aggressive but AF scales with VPIP. e.g. If someone is seeing 5% of flops and has an AF of 2 then they are betting and raising with way stronger hands than someone with a 45% VPIP and AF of 2 isnt stupidly aggressive but its not particularly passive either.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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zenbitz
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I think PF is bad.
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DeusExMachina
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I agree with most of the replies.
Dont reraise pre unless you are ready to get it in when the Ace hits. esp 3 handed.
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dsmrolla06
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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
I agree with most of the replies.
Dont reraise pre unless you are ready to get it in when the Ace hits. esp 3 handed.
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Theres less aces im beating on this flop
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minSim
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Originally Posted by dsmrolla06
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Originally Posted by minSim
You don't have to be way ahead, you can even be behind pretty often to be winning
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This doesnt make any sense |
Odds
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DeusExMachina
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by dsmrolla06
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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
I agree with most of the replies.
Dont reraise pre unless you are ready to get it in when the Ace hits. esp 3 handed.
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Theres less aces im beating on this flop |
Yes But ... you are playing against the shorty. I think your ace is good enough to call his undersized jam. He could have many draws in this type of spot.
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noble007
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Sorry, just read this quickly but isn't this an obvious call?
Even with the tightish range you put your opponent on you were still 51% to win & given that you only needed to put in 27$ to win +- $70 ? Even if you only had a 35% shot of winning vs his range it would still definitely be a +ev call?
Maybe I didnt read this properly
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benny999
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i agree noble. he's pushing the flop with draws and any ace, and it sounds like he'd call pre with a lot of them.
otherwise i think reraising pre doesn't make sense - you may as well have 72.
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Benny, your logic doesn't work - yes, of course you have to put money in on the flop when you 3-bet, but here, you already have, and you've been re-raised. Suddenly it's irrelevant that you re-raised pre-flop because he's already committed. In fact, your 72o example makes more sense in this case - what if we had re-raised pf with 72o? You're saying we'd still have to call here. Aggression's fatal if you can't get away from it when you need to.
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biondino
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(not that I'm saying you should necessarily fold in this particular spot!)
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locks1018
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I think if you're reraising here with A9, then you have to commit yourself to calling the all-in. In reality, what were you hoping for? A 9 high flop or to pair your Ace, (really, you wanted a fold pre-flop) but since you didn't get that.... you have to call. Bad fold IMO
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bigspenda73
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Lol dude, are you actively trying to not calculate pot odds during hands?
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Halv
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I c/r the flop all in in these spots alot.
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Toadstool
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This spot illustrates why re-raising with Ax where x is less than J is such a bad move - if an ace flops, your value betting and hes going to be scared of the ace unless hes got a higher one. if you raise with other hands you can always 'represent' the ace or value bet when you flop something. Ax are the worst hands to reraise with - but on the flop id probably fold you're not beating a lot your only beating A6 and lower also a flush draw is less likely as the As is out there.
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benny999
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by biondino
Benny, your logic doesn't work - yes, of course you have to put money in on the flop when you 3-bet, but here, you already have, and you've been re-raised. Suddenly it's irrelevant that you re-raised pre-flop because he's already committed. In fact, your 72o example makes more sense in this case - what if we had re-raised pf with 72o? You're saying we'd still have to call here. Aggression's fatal if you can't get away from it when you need to.
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what part of my logic doesn't work?
i was saying reraising pre makes hero's hand about the same as 92 on this flop (forgot the flop has a 7), since it was confusing even flopping an ace.
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Halv
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...except we have tons of equity against villains shoving range?
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benny999
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for sure...but I mean if playing all in on that flop is not clear, then i think the rr pre was bad.
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