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Old 10-03-2008, 06:28 AM     Post subject: 3 bet sizing?? 165BB DEEP #1 (permalink)  
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$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, October 03, 07:05:14 ET 2008
Table TURBO Salem (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: ded2007 ( $176.02 USD )
Seat 5: poker9999A ( $64.45 USD )
Seat 6: Lubasha ( $100.50 USD )
Seat 8: weerado ( $90.00 USD )
Seat 10: iwannabegabe ( $165.53 USD )
Lubasha posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
weerado posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iwannabegabe [ :Kh: :Ah: ]
iwannabegabe raises [$3.50 USD]
ded2007 raises [$7.00 USD]
iwannabegabe ???
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Old 10-03-2008, 06:34 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 10-03-2008, 07:54 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Also, that would be called a 4-bet n00b.


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Old 10-03-2008, 08:24 AM #4 (permalink)  
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If I don't know what his minraise means I call as well.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:38 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 i usually call also
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Old 10-03-2008, 01:24 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Also, that would be called a 4-bet n00b.
I meant his sizing. I wasn't sure about 4betting small, big or 4 betting.

Is calling strictly a stack situation or would this be also because of his light raising /high 3 betting freq.
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 is his 3bet stat highish because hes min-3betting?

i tend to 4ball to like $18 here for value, especially OOP.
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Old 10-03-2008, 04:44 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I'm fine with calling. AKs plays awesome and we're deep. 4-betting for value and to regain initiative is fine also, but I wouldn't go that big... I don't think with the min-3-bet type that it's optimal to try to size it so you force a nuclear all-in confrontation.

As much as he 3-bets, and based on recent experience, I would hazard a guess that he does this with a lot of raising hands because he doesn't really know what to do, or understand that calling is a fine choice. I sat with a nimrod the other night that min-3-bet me three times over about 80 hands, and the two times we got to showdown he had KQ and AJ. So I don't think it's necessarily indicative of great strength. In fact my theory is that there's a growing number of players out there for whom 3-betting means something entirely different from what it means for standard/decent players, including almost everyone that posts on FTR. I think they see people doing it and have started doing it too, but I don't think they get what it traditionally meant ("I have you crushed") or what it means now when two good players do it to each other ("I may have you crushed or I may be telling you to back the fuck off, and good luck figuring out which one it is right now, sucker"). With these guys it means "Oh my hand is two big cards - is time for raise?"
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In my experience it seems 3-betting is just that. 'I may or may not have the aces, but there's no way you can know because I do it a lot'. Back when I started playing it was AA, KK or AK and possibly QQ you did it with, now it can be a lot of things... Yesterday somebody 3 bet my AA (which I raised 8 (1/2) with 67s of all things. This was of course a guy who'd I'd folded quite a few 3bets to, so that could be why... But it was a constant barrage of 3bets that night in general. Gets you thinking: There can't be that many high PPs out, and of course there ain't. Problem is of course wondering whether you can bank on it being AK and trust your 9's or it being the real deal when no high cards flop.
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In my experience it seems 3-betting is just that. 'I may or may not have the aces, but there's no way you can know because I do it a lot'. Back when I started playing it was AA, KK or AK and possibly QQ you did it with, now it can be a lot of things... Yesterday somebody 3 bet my AA (which I raised 8 (1/2) with 67s of all things. This was of course a guy who'd I'd folded quite a few 3bets to, so that could be why... But it was a constant barrage of 3bets that night in general. Gets you thinking: There can't be that many high PPs out, and of course there ain't. Problem is of course wondering whether you can bank on it being AK and trust your 9's or it being the real deal when no high cards flop.
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 Calling seems safer but my gut says he's just messing around so fourbetting seems fine too.
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$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, October 03, 07:05:14 ET 2008
Table TURBO Salem (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: ded2007 ( $176.02 USD )
Seat 5: poker9999A ( $64.45 USD )
Seat 6: Lubasha ( $100.50 USD )
Seat 8: weerado ( $90.00 USD )
Seat 10: iwannabegabe ( $165.53 USD )
Lubasha posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
weerado posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to iwannabegabe [ :Kh: :Ah: ]
iwannabegabe raises [$3.50 USD]
ded2007 raises [$7.00 USD]
poker9999A folds
Lubasha folds
weerado folds
iwannabegabe raises [$14.00 USD]
ded2007 calls [$10.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ :Js:, , :As: ]
iwannabegabe bets [$24.00 USD]
ded2007 calls [$24.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
iwannabegabe checks
ded2007 bets [$134.52 USD]
iwannabegabe calls [$124.03 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
ded2007 wins $10.49 USD from main pot
iwannabegabe wins $329.56 USD from main pot
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Old 10-08-2008, 05:42 AM #15 (permalink)  
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