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gametight
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03-02-2010, 08:53 AM
Post subject: 3 bet pot with KQ... 200nl
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 494
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Villain is xxpoboleroxx, decent winner in the games
Ive got him at 30/21
He opens the button wide and doesnt fold to many three bets.
No out of line dynamic between us atm and I dont have any reason to think he may think Im light here.
Thoughts on river??
No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($204.35)
Hero (BB) ($261.90)
UTG ($200)
MP ($142.10)
CO ($225.95)
Button ($200)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , Q
3 folds, Button bets $6, 1 fold, Hero raises $18, Button calls $14
Flop: ($41) 10 , 4, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, Button calls $22
Turn: ($85) A (2 players)
Hero bets $41, Button calls $41
River: ($167) Q (2 players)
Hero ???
preflop 3bet was to $20
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
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c/f?
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gametight
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Flush
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Any merit to shoving as a bluff?.... like what can he have here
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
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I would just check and hope he checks down Tx or some low pair.
After he calls the turn he can have flushes sometimes. A lot of people will also float this type of flop with AJ/AQ, so I wouldn't be surprised if he had AQ here sometimes.
Could even have A8/AT that isn't jamming on the flush card turn.
c/f and hope for showdown I think.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
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Yeah I don't think he's folding anything better except like maaaaybe QT
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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The entire hand seems pretty meh but I think both shoving river and c/fing are about equal.
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pocketfours
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2007
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I think shoving river as bluff is absolutely terrible. I'd bet $83 for value and fold to a shove.
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meeloche
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
The entire hand seems pretty meh but I think both shoving river and c/fing are about equal.
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I agree with most of this. Although I think c/f is better than shoving.
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Ravageur
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Official Montreal SwampRat
Full House
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I would c/fold as well and I really don't think there's any value on this river except as a bluff.
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Family Cruise IMO
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ravageur
I would c/fold as well and I really don't think there's any value on this river except as a bluff.
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Yah this. You need a really bad image/villain needs to be a big station to get value here imo.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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pocketfours
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Moderator
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Location: Lighting sweet moneys on fire.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
Yah this. You need a really bad image/villain needs to be a big station to get value here imo.
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I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be folding any pair for $83 more vs me on this river.
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tstrout
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Why do you feel compelled to 3-bet with KQo OOP? Are you trying to win a tiny preflop pot? What if he calls or worse reraises? You have to fold to a 4-bet with that weak hand. If he calls, you're behind. It's that simple. You're only going to hit a K or Q 33% of the flops, and what if an ace accompanies it? 67% of the time, you've forced yourself to c-bet with nothing OOP and praying for a fold. Does that sound like a good strategy to you?
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