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Carroters
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06-07-2010, 11:41 AM
Post subject: 3 bet pot with AK - Can haz line check?
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4-of-a-Kind
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Villain is basically unknown over 8 hands. He's yet to play a hand. How's my line here?
Preflop - Ez 3 bet for value here vs almost all 100NL villains.
Flop: Okay so I'll give him a fairly tightish calling range just now of maybe [88-JJ, AJ+ KQ.] at a fair gestimate. I only fold out worse by c betting so I'd much rather just check back and maybe call a turn bet since I lilkely have more equity vs that than I do vs his flop calling range. The hand I beat have very few outs vs me and I'd really like a crad that hits us both when he is dominated to fall.
Turn: Now i think I can fold out a bunch of the underpairs so elect to do this, planning to check back river if called unimproved.
River: He flats the turn, I think AQ KQ are pretty likely, I doubt he ever has a J or better. I don't see any worse hands here that I canextract again from except for KQ, which is less ina random tightish player's preflop continuing range than AQ is. i wont get any value from TT and worse if they did decdie to call this turn so I elect to check. I could b/f real small for value I guess.
$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG d3fault ($188.80)
CO Neil Ross ($100)
BTN Hero ($199)
SB Yayundray ($104.85)
BB juracane ($88.25)
Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BTN  
1 fold, Neil Ross raises to $4, Hero raises to $11.50, 2 folds, Neil Ross calls $7.50
Flop:    ($24.50, 2 players)
Neil Ross checks, Hero checks
Turn:  ($24.50, 2 players)
Neil Ross checks, Hero bets $15, Neil Ross calls $15
River:  ($54.50, 2 players)
Neil Ross checks, Hero checks
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
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Im 3betting less IP and really cant see why we want to check the river.
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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yo
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bikes
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a hot damn mess
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since we'd bluff this card a whole lot i can't see not betting for value
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by XTR1000
Im 3betting less IP and really cant see why we want to check the river.
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Smaller? I feel like my standard would be to go from $4->$12 even IP and maybe $14-$16 OOP.
Yah I don't get the river check. Bet here all day.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
Smaller? I feel like my standard would be to go from $4->$12 even IP and maybe $14-$16 OOP.
Yah I don't get the river check. Bet here all day.
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I havent done the math yet, but it seems 3BB-8BB / 4BB-9BB in position provokes more preflop calls whilst people still refuse to play back on flops and fold an insane amount to cbets. Maybe just a sample issue, but so far the ipoker reg-crowd calls all sorts of broadways and any pp just to c/f just about every flop.
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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yo
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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I don't disagree that it induces more calls. I'm not sure its always necessarily better to invite more calls though. Depends how good villain is I suppose.
If this was a fish/whale, I'd probably do 3bb->7/8bb with a very wide range (AT+ and stuff even) just to isolate and have position.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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DaMachine
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One Pair
Join Date: Jun 2010
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To take value from KQ QT or even TT 99 88 (he might have call turn with pair + Gutshot) I would bet like 1/2 of the pot on the river.
I might also bet full pot on river depending on player and my image, if i think he might call with AT KQ,...
Only hand that beat us is AQ imo. and its very very small part of his range.
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Fnord
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Bet for value against an unknown.
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Dragon Slayer
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Straight
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Your lack of betting the river for value offends me 
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