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cjs55
Old 01-16-2008, 05:22 PM     Post subject: 3 barrelling #1 (permalink)  
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opponent is 27/7/2. Passive, but not too much of a station. I've been aggressive postflop, not insanely so.

Full Tilt Poker Game #4875354393: Table Exley (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Holdem - 22:12:29 ET - 2008/01/15
Seat 1: jubolin ($22.25)
Seat 2: YAVETUYA ($49.90)
Seat 3: trias55 ($73)
Seat 4: RICHMAN13 ($49.50)
Seat 5: roflpwn ($128.90)
Seat 6: JT314 ($100.85)
RICHMAN13 posts the small blind of $0.25
roflpwn posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to trias55 [8s Ks]
JT314 folds
JT314 stands up
jubolin folds
YAVETUYA calls $0.50
DaMurdera3 adds $50
trias55 raises to $2.25
RICHMAN13 folds
roflpwn calls $1.75
YAVETUYA calls $1.75
*** FLOP *** [Jh 5c Qs]
roflpwn checks
YAVETUYA checks
trias55 bets $4
roflpwn folds
YAVETUYA calls $4
*** TURN *** [Jh 5c Qs] [Qh]
YAVETUYA checks
trias55 bets $10
YAVETUYA has 15 seconds left to act
YAVETUYA calls $10
*** RIVER *** [Jh 5c Qs Qh] [7c]
YAVETUYA checks
trias55 has 15 seconds left to act
trias55 bets $34


I felt like he wouldnt be c/calling if he had a queen on the turn, but he is kinda passive. I felt like KJ, JT, J9, KT, T9 were his most likely holdings at that point. How spewy is this?
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Old 01-16-2008, 05:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Would he c/c slowplay all the way to the river? Limp/flat call oop preflop would tell me 55 is in his range as well, but you would think he'd be raising that flop and turn for value. I just can't see him checking the river with a boat, whether 55 or QJ. Looks like a good river bet if you know he's not a station since QJ and 55 are not likely in his range at this point.

Is Q with a weak kicker in his range? Like T or 9?
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Old 01-16-2008, 05:43 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 sometimes guys with his kind of numbers like to slow play or trap when they feel they are ahead. personally i feel like you might be donating here. especially if opponent has you pegged as an aggro position player.
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Old 01-16-2008, 05:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
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His range gravitates towards J's that seek showdown and passive Q's when he calls $10 on the turn. The center of his range is probably QT exactly.
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Old 01-16-2008, 05:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I've been aggressive on the flop, but not so much on later streets. This leads me towards believing the J as a strong candidate, as a player with his stats would be likely to 'defend' against my aggression on the flop with middle pair. The second queen just makes a c/c on the turn more viable from his perspective, as it's less likely I have it.

I'd say QT is definitely in his range, as he's 27 VPIP.
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:20 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I think betting the turn is pretty bad here. I might even check flop behind.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:49 AM #7 (permalink)  
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His range gravitates towards J's that seek showdown and passive Q's when he calls $10 on the turn. The center of his range is probably QT exactly.
I think a very interesting last sentence.
Do you often determine a 'center of his range'. Do you use that to determine your bluffing frequency and betsizing?
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His range gravitates towards J's that seek showdown and passive Q's when he calls $10 on the turn. The center of his range is probably QT exactly.
I think a very interesting last sentence.
Do you often determine a 'center of his range'. Do you use that to determine your bluffing frequency and betsizing?
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:09 PM #9 (permalink)  
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 Fold plefrop unless people are able to fold after putting money in the pot.

By the turn we know he's definitely not folding, just give up on river, he obviously sucks.



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Old 01-17-2008, 05:46 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Raise pre-flop is good.
Flop is marginal and turn is questionable imo.
But as played the third barrel seems good depending on his went to showdown stat.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:33 PM #11 (permalink)  
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 i really dont like this. c/f turn.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:32 PM #12 (permalink)  
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i like it, but only because he took so long on the turn. but i dont like that you took so long on the river.
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Old 01-18-2008, 02:11 PM #13 (permalink)  
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By the turn we know he's definitely not folding, just give up on river, he obviously sucks.
I should maybe state that I am/was pretty damn sure he was folding a J if he had it on the river to that bet. That was just my intuitive read based on all of my observation of his play.

He did end up folding.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:02 PM #14 (permalink)  
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By the turn we know he's definitely not folding, just give up on river, he obviously sucks.
I should maybe state that I am/was pretty damn sure he was folding a J if he had it on the river to that bet. That was just my intuitive read based on all of my observation of his play.
Not to be a dick, but can you translate that please?
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Old 01-18-2008, 07:06 PM #15 (permalink)  
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 I agree with bair about timing, board texture is also good for threebarreling, but opponent definetely isn't a good person to threebarrel. So I probably lean towards disliking it.
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