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Da GOAT

05-10-2009, 11:31 AM Post subject: 3 Barrel bluffs 200nl - 2 hands

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Hand 1:: Opp seems to be a weak enough player. This is close to start of session so stats are meh unimportant. Opp seems passive in general but hasnt played a ton of hands in the first 20-30 hands. he aint a station it seems but not an aggro opp.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG KORsung ($257.20)
UTG+1 Hero ($207.30)
CO labrador-muc ($270.50)
BTN riverbaby11 ($79.00)
SB jherootz ($96.60)
BB Alex00r ($313.15)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1

1 fold, Hero raises to $7, labrador-muc calls $7, 3 folds

Flop:

($17, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, labrador-muc calls $10

Turn:

($37, 2 players)
Hero bets $26, labrador-muc calls $26

River:

($89, 2 players)
Hero ($164.30)?

hand 2:: Opp is a decent reg running 28/20, Ive 3bet him a few times on other tables with no showdown I can remember. So i opt to just call IP preflop which i think is fine. his stealing range is obv wide and I shouldnt expect many barrels on turn given the board so I opt to float. Turn is interesting I think but hows river more so, I was thinking he was actually kinda strongish and he may be going for a c/c line himself tho i think its clsoe since theres not many whiffed draws so he could still bet his good hands. I was considering an overbet also but wont know how he will interpret it.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG goose057 ($216.75)
UTG+1 WordPlay99 ($83.00)
CO InMemoriam ($321.80)
BTN Nicci_89_lefty ($93.50)
SB KORsung ($320.40)
BB Hero ($203.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB

4 folds, KORsung raises to $7, Hero calls $5

Flop:

($14, 2 players)
KORsung bets $10, Hero calls $10

Turn:

($34, 2 players)
KORsung bets $26, Hero calls $26

River:

($86, 2 players)
KORsung checks, Hero ($160)?

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Benoso

05-10-2009, 01:14 PM

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Hand 1: I think a bet of maybe $46 gets through here often enough to make it profitable.

Hand 2: I don't like this spot to fire, I think he snap calls too often with an Ace. He has a lot of Aces in his range imo. I fold flop FWIW.

bode

05-10-2009, 02:21 PM

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bode is an unknown quantity at this point

Korsung is never folding to a bet in hand 2. and spewy/overaggro/hero calling villains like him are not the model villain to be floating 2 streets vs.

do you always cbet such a small amount? cbet size in hand one is terrible. villain is never folding a J in hand 1 either.

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05-10-2009, 02:56 PM

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05-10-2009, 03:03 PM

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Dunno villain in the first hand but I agree with bode in the second hand. Korsung has no fold button imo.

Also I don't like your betsizing in both hands if you plan on barreling.

If you think it'll take more than one barrel to get villain to fold then why do you bet small on the flop and big on the turn?

ATOTHEC101

05-10-2009, 06:58 PM

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Both hands are fairly meh, your c bet size is too small in hand 1 and barreling the turn sucks as he never folds any jack or alot of pairs that picked up straight draws, I'd just c/f turn.

I've played alot with korsung and what other people say is true, he's a very average reg who plays a strong ace like this alot of the time and wil consequently c/c this river tons. This will sound bad considering we pick up more equity on the turn but calling the flop then folding the turn is better than getting to the river. He always c bets ace high flops but once called will often give up on turn.

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05-10-2009, 08:43 PM

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I don't like either, you're not repping much
at least in hand 1 you could have an overpair since you're opening from MP and your range is tighter than calling in the BB

mixchange

05-10-2009, 09:05 PM

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hand 1

when you fire turn you are usually also forced to fire river. id prefer c/f here on turn OOP with just 2 overs.

hand 2 I like 3betting a lot more than flatting

Since his steal range is wide its better to flat premiums and 3bet junkier ones like J10o.

if you do bluff River I think $65 is fine, no need for the extra $100. I think he check/calls the river with a good ace way too often to bother though. I think he only bets turn with Pure air or an ace depending on how you play, and more often an ace. he never has just a Q here, we expect him to check on flop or turn

good stat for this spot is if Cbet flop, how often turn barrelled? if high the bluff is fine. If low its terrible. thing about BvB is that people call down more, so it seems tough for villain to do this with just air (but certainly possible).

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05-10-2009, 09:15 PM

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1. turn bet is really bad but as played i think 3barreling is alright
2. its really hard for you to have air but he can be planning to checkcall sometimes so id go all in

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mixchange

05-10-2009, 09:28 PM

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edit for personal retardation reasons

Luke999

05-10-2009, 09:37 PM

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Hand 2 we are IP, or am I crazy or drunk :S

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05-10-2009, 09:38 PM

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no dude im drunk Thanks Luke. Edited.

What I Meant to post:

Nutsinho,

Vs. a decent reg who pressures wide, why not 3bet? J10o, even IP, is missing the flop 2/3

Seems like a good hand to 3bet vs. his flatting range which id think would be mostly mid pairs and unpaired cards

Luke999

05-10-2009, 09:55 PM

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Ha ha no problem.
And im not sure, I like to call but I've become a low variance nit as of late.

05-10-2009, 11:00 PM

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EDIT: nevermind I thought villain was on the button, I like flatting IP

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05-11-2009, 04:01 AM

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Hand 1: I wouldnt bet the turn here, the 5 is one of the worst cards to barrel.
Hand 2: He never has better than Ax here, so I agree with rich, id shove it all in.

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05-11-2009, 05:54 AM

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I agree with nutsinho and ISF, also I think in Hand 2, anything but calling preflop and calling the flop is pretty suboptimal against most regs. I'm interested to hear why people would even consider doing something else.

Da GOAT

05-11-2009, 07:52 AM

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I wud def agree that turn in hand 1 is poor, I think I forced a bet there. I think my thoughts on my cb size was that opp is passive and poor so I should have the same FE as a std sized cb. I tend is size my cbs alot vs seemingly poor opp.

On hand 2, I bet $66 on river. when I made it I felt I went with the worst option. I think shove > check > bet $66. Also I wud disagree with 3 betting pre. We have position on a reg who has a wide range, we don't wanna bloat the pot BvB either with JTo imo.

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05-11-2009, 11:30 AM

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nevermind, I thought he was on the button I agree with calling pre

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