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griffey24
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07-03-2010, 12:01 AM
Post subject: 3/6 - top two but fml
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Toronto'ish
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-I think I'm losing my mind, I posted this but can't find it in the forum now
-villain in this hand is reg fool me twice
-I don't have that many reads on him, or much dynamic fro the past, but he runs around 22/19/3, steals 32% and cbets around 73%
-dynamic this session is that I have 3bet him a few times and he's folded. He has 3bet me a few times, and I've folded. I called one 3bet IP from MP to his blinds 3bet and he cbet a Q83 flop and I raised small and he folded
-I don't call in blinds much to button raises, and this is the first time I've called this session
-I feel like when a player like him checks this type of flop, that he will often bet the turn with most of this range, hence going for the turn c/r
-turn c/r was fast, 2 seconds, river I bet fast around 2 seconds and he jammed just as fast
-do most regs realize that trying to rep a flush after checking this flop is so FoS that they just always have it?
$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($600)
CO ($647.05)
BTN ($640)
SB ($1,889.95)
Hero (BB) ($965.50)
Pre-Flop: ($9, 5 players) Hero is BB  
2 folds, BTN raises to $18, 1 fold, Hero calls $12
Flop:    ($39, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn:  ($39, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $24, Hero raises to $77, BTN calls $53
River:  ($193, 2 players)
Hero bets $140, BTN goes all-in $545, Hero ??
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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meeloche
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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I'd rather 3 bet pre than flat. Don't get your turn c/r I'd rather just lead. He's plays pretty solid in my experience so I'd probably just fold river idk.
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pocketfours
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c/f river imo
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketfours
c/f river imo
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holy why would we c/f? He checked back the flop so he doesn't have many flushes, and we have top two. Why wouldn't you think there is value here?
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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nutsinho
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4-of-a-Kind
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yea i feel like we are beat on riv like 3% of the time and though its hard to picture many worse hands calling id still fire
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Ravageur
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Official Montreal SwampRat
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yeah he has AA/AK just as much and maybe more often than flushes so I agree we have to b/fold river.
And to answer your last question, yes regs realize that you will think they will always c-bet with a flush draw so he ALWAYS has it here. Until you get levelled.
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Family Cruise IMO
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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I think you have to fold river here, I just can't imagine anyone who isn't a spewtard bluffing here. You kind of look like you have a flush as well.
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by griffey24
holy why would we c/f? He checked back the flop so he doesn't have many flushes, and we have top two. Why wouldn't you think there is value here?
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Holy why? Rly?
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Numbr2intheWorld
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definitely fold river
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketfours
Holy why? Rly?
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Cause based on how the hand played out, we're pretty much never behind, and our line seems pretty polarized to air or very strong so he can conceivably hero call us here.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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sauce123
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ok, so with a 73% cbet its sort of hard to imagine a range where he checks back flush draws. he can obv have 55 as well, whatever. so he can be Mr. backwards, who checks back AQhh here thinking he has SD value + deception when he checks back. He can be Mr. Pot Control who checks back any jack and any weak pair here as well as weak draws which dont want to be CR- aka 87hh type of shit. And he can be Mr. Random, where he just decided to check back XXhh JUST THIS ONCE TO FACKING OWN YOU!!!, or he can be Mr. Aneurysm, and be representing one of the first 3 options to get you off of KQ.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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JL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sauce123
ok, so with a 73% cbet its sort of hard to imagine a range where he checks back flush draws. he can obv have 55 as well, whatever. so he can be Mr. backwards, who checks back AQhh here thinking he has SD value + deception when he checks back. He can be Mr. Pot Control who checks back any jack and any weak pair here as well as weak draws which dont want to be CR- aka 87hh type of shit. And he can be Mr. Random, where he just decided to check back XXhh JUST THIS ONCE TO FACKING OWN YOU!!!, or he can be Mr. Aneurysm, and be representing one of the first 3 options to get you off of KQ.
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