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Old 09-06-2010, 06:41 PM     Post subject: 3/6 - standard type spot, in 3bet pot #1 (permalink)  
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 -no crazy dynamic with villain
-I've 3bet him a few times, but haven't played any big pots. I've been 3betting others a fair bit on this table though
-he's running like 30/25ish or something, the type that calls a lot of 3bets (fold to 3bet like 50, call of like 35-40 and 4bet of around 10ish)
-is this an easy jam, or should I be c/f?


$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($894)
UTG+1 ($600)
CO ($600)
BTN ($711.20)
Hero (SB) ($795.15)
BB ($600)

Pre-Flop: ($9, 6 players) Hero is SB
3 folds, BTN raises to $18, Hero raises to $66, 1 fold, BTN calls $48

Flop: ($138, 2 players)
Hero bets $70, BTN calls $70

Turn: ($278, 2 players)
Hero bets $165, BTN calls $165

River: ($608, 2 players)
Hero with $410 behind
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Old 09-06-2010, 07:59 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I would c/f
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Old 09-06-2010, 08:43 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 with 2/3PSB behind i think shoving is better. i believe he isn't folding 88xc, and he may turn hands like this into a bluff if u check
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Old 09-06-2010, 09:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I would c/f
why?

id shove
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why?
worse hands aren't calling. we will get bluffed by a worse made hand occasionally, but when he bets river he'll have us beat way more often.
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like i think id shove but i wud feel dirty. imma see how this develops.

i dunno if i cud c/f since i feel he can have AcXx hands which wont check behind for SD (hmm or maybe they would).
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 I would check call or bet like 72/call. I don't really see how we can lose unless he has jj or a slowplayed flush.

I'm probably way off though considering no one has even considered these as options.
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 I don't like the idea of betting super small (like $72), mostly cause this board could be perceived as decent to bluff on, but that size doesn't really balance well with our bluffs.

Maybe betting like $250 could get more hero calls, not really sure on villains tendencies to hero call certain sizings.
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:49 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 not jamming would be a huge mistake in your gameplan
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not jamming would be a huge mistake in your gameplan
when you say this are you referring to a balance/game theory standpoint where check/whatever here is really exploitable and shoving is just gonna be good for overall for our image etc? (i.e. not necc +EV in a vaccum but not total spew to the point where we shouldn't consider it) besides he can sometimes hero call us anyway so even if shoving looks thin whatever we're gonna be able to get away with more shit in the future if we can jam KQ here..

hope that makes sense
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 well our hand is the same vs like every 3/6 villain on this river as bottom set. basically without any public image or history w/ opponent jamming everything thats not a flush in this exact spot might be slightly -EV in a vacuum but you should arrive here w/ a lot of bluffs and the more your opponents are confident that you are shoving TT+ for value in this spot as you should be able to, the more money you are going to make when you have a bluff.
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Old 09-08-2010, 06:37 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Jamming is fine as is c/cing vs most 3/6 regs specifically this guy by the sounds of it, not a fan of c/fing at all.
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