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Vi-Zer0Skill

12-07-2007, 09:32 PM Post subject: 3-3/A-Qs 600NL

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The 600NL tables were looking super soft this morning so i sat down at a couple tables.

1). Villain is a 40/12 and aggressive. Besides calling down pretty light he seems to be playing okay. I ran a bluff against him earlier and he called me down. The first hand is the bluff. **I ran this bluff before i knew he was calling down a little light.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($299.75)
Button ($680.20)
SB ($520.25)
BB ($203.70)
UTG ($693.75)
Hero ($600)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6

, 8

.
1 fold, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, Button calls $24, 2 folds.

Flop: ($57) J

, T

, 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $42, Button calls $42.

Turn: ($141) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $112, Button calls $112.

River: ($365) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $202, Button calls $202.

Final Pot: $769
He had K-Jo

Here is the hand im wondering about: Do you like a small turn lead (~200) or a small overbet shove better? It took place about a half hour after the first hand.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($269.85)
CO ($1339.70)
Button ($841.05)
SB ($594)
BB ($641.85)
Hero ($794.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3

, 3

.
Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, CO raises to $54, 3 folds, Hero calls $30.

Flop: ($117) 7

, 3

, A

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $36, Hero raises to $186, CO calls $150.

Turn: ($489) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $554.85 (All-In)

2). Villain is sitting at multiple 600NL tables. He recently stacked off on another table, but the hand was very standard. I have not gotten involved in any big pots since he sat down and i've never played with him before at a lower limit. I figured he would be betting a hand like 7-7 on the river. How is the river bet size? Is a check/shove better?

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CO ($1742.15)
Button ($902.85)
Hero ($952.85)
BB ($664.30)
UTG ($591)
MP ($315)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, Q

.
3 folds, Button calls $6, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $24, Button calls $24.

Flop: ($90) 3

, J

(3 players)
Hero bets $66, BB calls $66, Button folds.

Turn: ($222) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: ($222) 3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $170, Hero raises to $370

*Posted in the HS Forum as well but im sure P4's, sauce and co. would agree these hands aren't super expert or anything lol so i moved them here too so hopefully more people will look at them.

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Irisheyes

12-08-2007, 09:59 AM

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I like the 333 hand. I think he'll get mad suspicious and call with a wide range.

Whats the button like in hand 2? I'd be pretty inclined to check the flop 3 way OOP.

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12-08-2007, 12:58 PM

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lol the last one is nice, just make it a little bigger so he doesn't convince himself into calling with TT

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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12-08-2007, 01:59 PM

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12-08-2007, 06:38 PM

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1st one you should either make a bigger bet size or a smaller one.

2nd one goot

3rd one is quite bad. It's plausible that he has a J and i doubt he's betting 77 on the river unless he's bad, it's too thin imo.

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Vi-Zer0Skill

12-16-2007, 06:21 AM

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1). This is because his range is polarized right? I just randomly suddenly understood this after reading something Renton wrote and then looking at a HH.

2). is it the best line in a vacuum though?

value betting 7-7 there versus an unknown seems fine to me. i guess you like check/fold best.

I'm trying to figure out whether check/shoving is better for my entire range with the stack sizes as they are or if my smaller check/raise was better. I'll take you and gabe's word that the check/raise isn't good here but what do you think about this move/sizing in similar situations?

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12-16-2007, 06:23 AM

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I like the 333 hand. I think he'll get mad suspicious and call with a wide range.

Whats the button like in hand 2? I'd be pretty inclined to check the flop 3 way OOP.

1). heh he said in the chat he folded A-K (i felt a little sick

)

2). he seemed decent and TAGish, but i didn't have any specific reads on him

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12-16-2007, 06:32 AM

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exactly my thoughts

for the 3rd one I rly prefer c/f there, I doubt hes gonna give u credit for a hand even if he only has something like 77. If u had AA here wouldnt u bet river to get value from smaller PP's like 90% of the time? Imo this is too fancy and not worth it.

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12-16-2007, 05:52 PM

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I don't think vbetting 77 is quite bad on hand 3, i think its very marginal but depending on VZK's timing or what not on the hand and that fact that VZK himself could very well vbet 88+ makes it not bad.

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12-16-2007, 06:19 PM

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the 333 hand i actually think it's better to lead 90. He's not folding any big pairs and will probably get it in with any Ace

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12-18-2007, 04:53 AM

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yea, against the player u talked about in the 33 hand making a lead of 1/3 pot is almost surely best- u want to leave btw 3/5 pot and 3/4 pot for the river

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12-18-2007, 05:25 AM

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Quote:

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yea, against the player u talked about in the 33 hand making a lead of 1/3 pot is almost surely best- u want to leave btw 3/5 pot and 3/4 pot for the river

If we lead turn for 1/3 and he calls and the river is a club we still have to stack off right?

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12-18-2007, 05:37 AM

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yea, against the player u talked about in the 33 hand making a lead of 1/3 pot is almost surely best- u want to leave btw 3/5 pot and 3/4 pot for the river

If we lead turn for 1/3 and he calls and the river is a club we still have to stack off right?

he has CC here less than 1% of the time. club is bad cause he folds more often...

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