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Muzzard

03-29-2008, 02:26 AM Post subject: 25NL SFD

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Is this standard? With my inside straight+flush. CAn I call a push too. Askign coz I'm not that good with draws.

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($64.05)
UTG+1 ($23.40)
Hero ($31.20)
BTN ($24.65)
SB ($42.90)
BB ($16.05)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is CO

UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop:

($3.1, 3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $2.25, Hero raises to $6, BB calls $6, UTG folds

Turn:

($17.35, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10.8, BB goes all-in $9.05

River:

($35.45, 2 players)

Final Pot: $35.45
BB shows:

Hero shows:

Hero wins $35.5 ( won +$17.7 )
BB lost -$16.05
UTG lost -$3.25

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dalecooper

03-29-2008, 02:37 AM

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Would be better to post without the outcome - but yeah it's fine. BB's flop call is a serious warning sign after it went raise-reraise (transparent slowplay), but then you got there and it didn't matter any more.

About calling a push - BB can only put in another $9 and the pot will be 26 (including his push) - so yeah, for almost 3:1 you can't even consider folding. UTG pushing changes the odds substantially but you still probably can't fold after the flop action, and given that his range includes a fair amount of AA and AK.

I would say though, depending on how these players play, I just call here a lot. You have greater fold equity in a heads up pot and against a tight player. Here you have two opponents (reads?) and that king hits UTG's range pretty well, so it may be just as +EV to just call and hope BB rides along (which obviously he would have here) - get a pot going and hopefully get one of them to stack off if you hit. There's also the perverse fact that so many players are now raising with these hands that a call often leaves the initial bettor wondering what you have, and when you hit (especially if you hit the straight) he may look you up with any reasonable one pair hand or better. Playing these hands highly aggressively is one of those things that I wish had remained more of a trade secret, because now every time the board comes down like this and someone raises you can't give them credit for a made hand.

Anyway, one last thing: if you raise, you might want to go just a bit bigger - maybe $7 instead of $6.

ZwiFT

03-29-2008, 02:43 AM

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This is not so good imo;

UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1,

The rest is sexy

will641

03-29-2008, 02:43 AM

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this is fine, well played. yes for $9 more you absolutely snap call a shove.

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Muzzard

03-29-2008, 02:56 AM

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This is not so good imo;

UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1,

The rest is sexy

Sweet. The only I called pre was implied odds and he (UTG) was very aggro. On the right board I felt I coudl stack him

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03-29-2008, 03:35 AM

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What if we brick the turn?!

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03-29-2008, 03:45 AM

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What if we brick the turn?!

then check back and try to hit. we have 0 fe, so its not worth shoving.

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ZwiFT

03-29-2008, 03:59 AM

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What if we brick the turn?!

then check back and try to hit. we have 0 fe, so its not worth shoving.

Yeah this is the reason you raise the flop with flushdraw/any draw, so he would check the turn so you will get a free card =)

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03-29-2008, 04:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ZwiFT

This is not so good imo;

UTG raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1,

The rest is sexy

Sweet. The only I called pre was implied odds and he (UTG) was very aggro. On the right board I felt I coudl stack him

With deeper stacks I see nothing wrong with that at all, especially since you have position. I'd go so far as to say this - if you're comfortable playing that kind of hand on an aggressive deep stack, that call can be very +EV.

Muzzard

03-29-2008, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by will641

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What if we brick the turn?!

then check back and try to hit. we have 0 fe, so its not worth shoving.

Yeah this is the reason you raise the flop with flushdraw/any draw, so he would check the turn so you will get a free card =)

yeah that's true...It's somehting that I don't think of in game...

He played this so bad, first smooth pre, then just calling my flop raise. lol
Deserved to get pwned.

will641

03-29-2008, 04:15 AM

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oh wow i didnt even realize you hit the straight flush, i thought he sucked out on the river.

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03-29-2008, 04:41 AM

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bode is an unknown quantity at this point

raise the flop bigger. the rest is fine.

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