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03-10-2008, 01:38 AM
Post subject: 25NL: 99 in 3-bet pot
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This is a cross post from my blog, hopefully get a few more replies.Ok, so what's optimal here? I'm guess we flat and fold turn to any sizable bet if we don't hit gin cards...
I have only seen villain 3-bet TT and JJ that went to show down.
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SB ($24.00) 28.6/17.1/4.0 (35)
BB ($41.55) 26.0/12.5/3.3 (104)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is CO  
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2
Flop:    ($6.1, 2 players)
BB bets $5, $5 to Hero ($38.5)?
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piitb
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I dont really like calling three bet pf with 99. His range crushes us. He can be c betting AK at least. If you want to peel on for the gut shot and to see if he slows down depending on how you feel. Mostl i fold pre and fold flop
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bode
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preflop call is fine because its a small 3bet and youre 160ish bbs deep. As played idk. i dont like raising here because youre only getting called when beat, but theres so many turn cards you dont want to see. I think a call is probably best. Im def. not folding with the gutshot. Call here and see what villain does on the turn. Villain isnt likely to double barrell his AQ/AK here so i think you'll know if your beat or not on the turn.
and just spike a 6 or 9 and stack him.
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by piitb
I dont really like calling three bet pf with 99. His range crushes us. He can be c betting AK at least. If you want to peel on for the gut shot and to see if he slows down depending on how you feel. Mostl i fold pre and fold flop
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I assume you don't know what implied set odds are? We have plenty here, the preflop call is 100% standard. As for the flop we have a 9 and 6 as outs vs his likely range we are actually ahead.....
Hand 0: 54.085% 53.70% 00.39% 178626 1284.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 45.915% 45.53% 00.39% 151446 1284.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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RipperJ
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Yea I agree that calling pf was ok with the stack sizes and implied odds of hitting a set. After this flop comes, I would let it go because of his 3-bet range pf. A 3-bet at 25NL usually means a genuinely good hand and I would assume a higher pp that beats 99.
However, I always see this cont-bet at 25NL and if opp is called they check the turn when they bluffing. So I think it really matters on situation and tells against the opp.
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will641
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pf here is super standard since we are in position and deep.
ehh....im definitely calling this bet. so many players will bet flop and give up with overs, plus we got mad outs yo.
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I call because we dont want him to shove over. Also most people dont usually double barrel with something like AK at 25NL.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
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Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
As for the flop we have a 9 and 6 as outs vs his likely range we are actually ahead.....
Hand 0: 54.085% 53.70% 00.39% 178626 1284.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 45.915% 45.53% 00.39% 151446 1284.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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I certainly don't put AQ in a random TAG's range here vs. your CO raise at 25NL. I guess your read is better than mine, but I may include AQs as a partial representation of the times he does this with AQ. I guess this changes depending upon his image and yours.
As played I flat the flop and bet good turn cards. Fold to a turn lead unless improved.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Ash256
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03-10-2008, 06:57 PM
Post subject: Re: 25NL: 99 in 3-bet pot
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Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
I'm guessing we flat and fold turn to any sizable bet if we don't hit gin cards...
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Muzzard
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GIN CARDDDDDDDDD! Just making sure the flop call was ok.
$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Profiles and Stacks:
UTG ($5.85) 36.8/2.6/4.0 (38)
Hero ($41.50) 14.9/12.1/2.0 (174)
BTN ($50.05) 13.6/13.6/8.0 (44)
SB ($24.00) 28.6/17.1/4.0 (35)
BB ($41.55) 26.0/12.5/3.3 (104)
Pre-flop: ($0.35, 5 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2
Flop: ($6.1, 2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5
Turn:  ($16.1, 2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero goes all-in $33.5, BB calls $23.5
River:  ($83.1, 2 players)
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bode
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what are villains stats? there are like no 6's in his 3betting range here most likely so obv get it in all day.
I told you to call and spike a 6 or 9 
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Originally Posted by bode
what are villains stats? there are like no 6's in his 3betting range here most likely so obv get it in all day.
I told you to call and spike a 6 or 9 |
Of course there are no 6 's in his 3-betting range. Are you levelling me with the stats question? Its quite clearly posted twice in this thread....
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mixchange
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Originally Posted by Silly String
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Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
As for the flop we have a 9 and 6 as outs vs his likely range we are actually ahead.....
Hand 0: 54.085% 53.70% 00.39% 178626 1284.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 45.915% 45.53% 00.39% 151446 1284.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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I certainly don't put AQ in a random TAG's range here vs. your CO raise at 25NL. I guess your read is better than mine, but I may include AQs as a partial representation of the times he does this with AQ. I guess this changes depending upon his image and yours.
As played I flat the flop and bet good turn cards. Fold to a turn lead unless improved. |
yeah since when are 25nl players regularly 3betting AQo, much less AQs?
to OP: shoving is the worst option on the flop.
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Muzzard
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Originally Posted by mixchange
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Originally Posted by Silly String
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Originally Posted by PokerMuzz
As for the flop we have a 9 and 6 as outs vs his likely range we are actually ahead.....
Hand 0: 54.085% 53.70% 00.39% 178626 1284.00 { 99 }
Hand 1: 45.915% 45.53% 00.39% 151446 1284.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
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I certainly don't put AQ in a random TAG's range here vs. your CO raise at 25NL. I guess your read is better than mine, but I may include AQs as a partial representation of the times he does this with AQ. I guess this changes depending upon his image and yours.
As played I flat the flop and bet good turn cards. Fold to a turn lead unless improved. |
yeah since when are 25nl players regularly 3betting AQo, much less AQs?
to OP: shoving is the worst option on the flop. |
I see it quite a bit actually. I wasn't advocating shoving at all. Just wondering whether we should fold flop or call and what our turn line is if we dont hit gin and it doesnt hit A or K.
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