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ATOTHEC101
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02-25-2009, 11:33 PM
Post subject: 200nl- reg wars
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Full House
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Reg in this hand runs 19/16/2.5 with a 3 bet of 10.6 % over 225 hands and loves to squeeze, specially in this spot where the sb is a passive donk, he's already squeezed me once in this exact spot. Flop is nice and dry and scares or misses the majority of his range, plus I have backdoor draws to a str8 and flush. Who likes my play?
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villain (BB) ($217.35)
UTG ($240)
MP ($282.25)
CO ($275.95)
Hero (Button) ($224)
SB ($517.75)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 9 , 8
3 folds, Hero bets $6, SB calls $5, villain raises to $27, Hero calls $21, 1 fold
Flop: ($60) A, 7 , 7 (2 players)
villain bets $36, Hero calls $36
Turn: ($132) J (2 players)
villain checks, Hero bets $42...,
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Flop call is fine imo since he cbets here 100 procent.
It seems like on the turn he again checks almost 100%. Especially since this is such an obvious board to float it seems like alot of reg's default play here would be to CRAI reguardless of hand strength.
I would rather check the turn and then bluff the river. If he checks the river we can bet like 46 and expect to take it down a hell of a lot. Since it takes a very good player to bluff the river after it goes check check on the turn we can assume he has an A if he bets the river. So yeah i like the float but I would rather delayed float.
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bspahn
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i'm wondering if the v small turn bet is just a huge invitation for him to shove any2. if you bet closer to half pot or close it makes it harder for him to shove as he must figure he has next to no FE.
i like the idea of checking behind and betting a river. your range to call the flop and bet the turn is quite slim, AK/AQ perhaps only.
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griffey24
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The only problem I have with floating these aggro players is that they like to DOUBLE barrel bluff these boards, which kind of screws up our float plan pretty hard.
I don't mind it if you plan on shoving turns that give you improved equity.. but if he's just gonna double on you here its not too great. I think you need reads that he'll shut down on turn to float this.
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by griffey24
The only problem I have with floating these aggro players is that they like to DOUBLE barrel bluff these boards, which kind of screws up our float plan pretty hard.
I don't mind it if you plan on shoving turns that give you improved equity.. but if he's just gonna double on you here its not too great. I think you need reads that he'll shut down on turn to float this.
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I pretty much agree with this. It's such a dry board and pretty hard for you to rep much on the turn since he won't put you on a 7. I dunno I think there are better ways to get this guys money than with pure air floats.
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elipsesjeff
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I don't like the flop call. He's got a ton of Ax in his range and you dont so you're repping pretty thin. Preflop call is meh given price.
If I float the flop though I like checking the turn then bet river line.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Am i the only one who likes this on every street?
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Galapogos
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Am i the only one who likes this on every street?
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No, I like it too. I think a big leak of small stakes players is they give river bets too little credit just because the turn checked through.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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bjsaust
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I'm confused, what do you mean Galapogos? In general or in regards to this hand?
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Fnord
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This float didn't work out for me at all in the last couple months I played online 6 max 
It always seemed like they either had it or were bound and determined to spew at least two barrels.
Then again I don't think 28/18/chow/meows like me get much credit for shit.
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jimmy44
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I know we don't have blockers, but who likes a 4bet/bluff here to about $67 against a guy who loves to squeeze? Unless he is crazy, he should fold a ton of 3bet/squeezes to 4bets if he is at 10% 3bet. Or should we wait to have more hands on him? 225 hands might not be enough.
Then again, 98s might be a waist to 4bet/bluff.
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XTR1000
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
I'm confused, what do you mean Galapogos? In general or in regards to this hand?
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I think this is a general statement. I usually get looked up pretty light when I try to rep a wider pot controlling range that checks back the turn in spots like these.
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ATOTHEC101
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The reason I bet the turn rather than check through and then fire river (which I definitely thought about at the time) was basically because though this guy is a reg who 3 bets a ton and is very agro preflop, I wouldn't say he is especially agro post and will hardly ever be shoving over my turn bet with air etc, thinking about it I am repping a preety thin range considering ill be 4 bet getting it in with ak and even aq nearly every time given the dynamic, but I don't think this guy thinks quite that deeply, hes just a preflop 3 bet bot. Against the top regs, and even just the very agro postflop ones I feel my line is kinda meh but against this guy who won't be firing 2 barrels or ck raising the turn all in with air, I kinda liked it, specifically my turn bet sizing.
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FeetMagic
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Id probably fold preflop to the 3bet, 4betting sometimes (but Id need more reads). Im definitely folding the flop as Id expect him to bet alot of turns.
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
I'm confused, what do you mean Galapogos? In general or in regards to this hand?
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Yeah I think in general. Game theory-wise it's probably not great but I don't like to give players a lot of credit until they show me otherwise. And based on the reads here we don't know that he's a particularly good player. I just don't see enough mediocre/bad players folding after the turn checks through ever, even in 3-bet pots.
I also like betting the turn more than checking just because a basic player OOP here will fear he's going to have to call his stack off.
Plus if our read is he loves to squeeze then we can assign a lot of trash to his range that he can't be a hero with.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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bjsaust
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Oh yeah, that I agree with for sure, its why I've totally cut floating OOP (planning to bluff) out of my game. If they check behind me on the turn they'll look up a river bet extremely wide. Like 33 wide. If I'm planning to bluff here its always on turn.
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bode
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i like this. i would like to have more equity than just a GS, but i like it. The problem with a float/check through/bet river line on a board like this is is KK/QQ/maybe JJ are going to look you up on the river a dec. amount of the time.
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