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05-21-2009, 04:40 PM
Post subject: 200nl Middle set. river wtf.
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Villian is stackinkids. I really don't have any relevant history with him. He's running like 31/21 and being fairly aggressive postflop.
With the overbet shove he's repping KJ, I suppose he could have like QJ or JJ but I kinda want to discount JJ and QJ seems unlikely unless its the QJdd. Same thing with KJ but again I don't know enough about him if he's capable of floating a raise unless he has KJdd. So obviously on the river is very difficult for me to give him credit for a J but what is he turning into a bluff if he doesn't have a J? Like maybe AT that he decided to check the flop for pot control, KK played stupidly and like KQdd. I guess in this spot where its difficult for him to have the nuts and difficult for him to be bluffing what would you guys do?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (6 handed) -
saw flop
Button ($200)
SB ($180)
BB ($50.35)
UTG ($241.20)
MP ($226.70)
Hero (CO) ($247.30)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 , 9
UTG bets $8, MP calls $8, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, 2 folds
Flop: ($35) Q, 8 , A (4 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks
Turn: ($35) 9 (4 players)
UTG bets $22, 1 fold, Hero raises to $50, 1 fold, UTG calls $28
River: ($135) 10 (2 players)
UTG bets $183.20 (All-In), Hero...umm wtf?
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griffey24
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what's up with the turn sizing?
When you're in a spot where villain is capable of having a strong hand AND you have a stronger hand, just raise HARD and build a pot. There is no reason here why villain can't have AQ, A8, 888, 98, Axdd, Qxdd.. tons of hands he's feeling ok about.
Make it like $75-80 on the turn.
As played.. meh.... probably fold.
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will641
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whats his c-bet%? that is pretty important (oh the ironies). this seems like a pretty clear fold. this is never ever ever a bluff. also yeah, raise turn harder. i mean even his whiffed diamonds get there.
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Alexos
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heh
70-75 on turn, as played snap fold
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bode
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def raise the turn bigger and fold as played. I would bet this flop when checked to nearly always also. 4way pot on AQ8, someone is going to play a pot with you.
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sil693
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def raise the turn bigger and fold as played. I would bet this flop when checked to nearly always also. 4way pot on AQ8, someone is going to play a pot with you.
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why would we want them to do this?
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def raise the turn bigger and fold as played. I would bet this flop when checked to nearly always also. 4way pot on AQ8, someone is going to play a pot with you.
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why would we want them to do this? |
because we know we'll hit the 9 on the turn, ldo
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will641
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def raise the turn bigger and fold as played. I would bet this flop when checked to nearly always also. 4way pot on AQ8, someone is going to play a pot with you.
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why would we want them to do this? |
cause hero takes it down a lot. you can bet like 3/5 pot and take it down most the time. ppl usually fold their Q's.
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bode
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def raise the turn bigger and fold as played. I would bet this flop when checked to nearly always also. 4way pot on AQ8, someone is going to play a pot with you.
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why would we want them to do this? |
cause hero takes it down a lot. you can bet like 3/5 pot and take it down most the time. ppl usually fold their Q's. |
meh, not the reason i was thinking, i misread and thought we flopped our set, not turned it 
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def raise the turn bigger and fold as played. I would bet this flop when checked to nearly always also. 4way pot on AQ8, someone is going to play a pot with you.
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why would we want them to do this? |
cause hero takes it down a lot. you can bet like 3/5 pot and take it down most the time. ppl usually fold their Q's. |
meh, not the reason i was thinking, i misread and thought we flopped our set, not turned it |
haha, yeah i wouldnt do it with 99 prolly, but certainly with any gutter.
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So, villain has KJ and thinks we have a naked Jack or he just has a naked Jack and thinks we can't play poker? 
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K my logic for my turn sizing was either A) he has a Q or KK and I don't want to blow him outta the pot or B) He has some FD and I want him to shove thinking he has a small amount of FE.
I folded the river.
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Alexos
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hes folding Qx or KK to any raise size anyway, so make him pay for his draws
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griffey24
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hes folding Qx or KK to any raise size anyway, so make him pay for his draws
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Not to mention, I'm not even convinced he's betting Qx or KK OOP into 3 people on this board.
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I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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what are the blind levels? If they were 1/2, you should have folded the flop. Otherwise, you just got unlucky and now you have to fold the river.
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golfguy37
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what are the blind levels? If they were 1/2, you should have folded the flop. Otherwise, you just got unlucky and now you have to fold the river.
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golfguy37
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what are the blind levels? If they were 1/2, you should have folded the flop. Otherwise, you just got unlucky and now you have to fold the river.
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lol golf guy, 3xposts and nobody bet the flop.
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Originally Posted by Jason
So, villain has KJ and thinks we have a naked Jack or he just has a naked Jack and thinks we can't play poker? |
He certainly doesn't have to have KJ when it's pretty damn obvious that we can't have KJ. He is an aggro villain, but he has to have a jack here given your turn aggression.
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