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Old 02-25-2009, 11:25 PM     Post subject: 200nl- few hands #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 35/16/1.8 over 150 hands, standard?

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UTG ($200)
MP ($70.10)
CO ($268.15)
Button ($206.50)
Hero (SB) ($198)
villain (BB) ($238)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4, 4
3 folds, Button bets $4, Hero calls $3, villain calls $2

Flop: ($12) J, 9, 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, villain bets $6, Button calls $6, Hero raises to $34, villain calls $28, 1 fold

Turn: ($86) K (2 players)
Hero checks, villain checks

River: ($86) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $42, villain raises to $94, Hero folds

Total pot: $170 | Rake: $3

Results:
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Outcome: villain won $167



This hand is a little bit more complicated, villain seems decent and is very agro postflop running 21/16/inf over 95 hands.

I just flat the flop as I feel he'll be barrelling a ton of turns trying to get me to fold smaller pps, and a highs that I floated the flop with (not that i'd call small pps preflop). When the ace falls It's obviously a bad card for me but he knows this and will be betting almost all his range trying to get me to fold representing the ace. Even though he's agro I felt he'd shutdown on alot of rivers as I can easily have an ace which im obviously not folding, yet when he bets the river I just feel I'm no longer good, maybe I should of just folded preflop as playing oop to such an agro oppenent is never fun.

His timing on every street was relatively quick.


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Preflop: Hero is BB with J, Q
2 folds, Button bets $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13) 2, Q, 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $9, Hero calls $9

Turn: ($31) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $23, Hero calls $23

River: ($77) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $58...,
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:05 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand1: seems reasonable. if he has top pair type hand he'll hate the flush card, i might go for a smaller value bet on the river closer to 30. you probably get paid by a few more hands, and you still have to fold to a raise no matter if opp seems to be relatively passive

hand2: he's repping very little with the triple barrel. i think his Qx type hands will check back the river. so we're putting him on a 2, AQ/AK type hands here? if you plan to play this table for a while and you often have position on him this is sometimes worth a call just to see. if he has you beat he's less likely to bluff spots like this assuming you're a station, if you have him beat he'll want to get after you for what he think is a bad call and you can likely take a big hand off him when he makes a big mistake. Side note: if he puts you exactly on Qx, and he has Ax, wouldn't he rather value bet thin say 1/3 to 1/2 pot on the river?
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:20 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 In general I wouldn't want to bet any smaller on this river. I already feel like the river bet as played was small and might induce a raise. You pretty much never have a flush here with the line you took and the sizing you used.. so if villain is aware and capable he can own you all day here. But given stats on villain and how passive he is, I think you have to fold this.

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i think his Qx type hands will check back the river. so we're putting him on a 2, AQ/AK type hands here? i
Villain is on button, so he can have a ton more aces that he probably should be betting twice here. 45 is possible. More 2x is possible given he's button. I don't think villain is quite as polarized as so few hands, but it's still a close call/fold spot.
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Old 02-26-2009, 12:47 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 1) I'd bet the turn for sure. As played i dunno i'd probably call cause i'm a station and we're getting a great price. I don't really get what he has. Like KK maybe?

2) Pretty loose defend pre and I wouldn't make it unless I had a much better idea how villain plays then you seem to have here. As played I guess I fold and make a note.



 
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:05 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I bet the turn and pay off a flush because I play bad.
Hand 2: River is close. Sometimes I look him up.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:04 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 #1: Bet $60 turn, he'll pay you off with a lot of different hands (2 pairs, TP, ...). And then bet river for value unless it's a spade.
#2: Fold pre. River is close. If it's the first time villain is doing this I fold.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:17 AM #7 (permalink)  
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#2: Fold pre.
Not in the online games I'm playing in.
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:39 AM #8 (permalink)  
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#2: Fold pre.
Not in the online games I'm playing in.
vs very aggro villains on which I don't have a many reads I prefer to fold here. I prefer hands like QJs. But hey, I'm weak/bad
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Old 02-26-2009, 08:58 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Are you seriously concerned about kicker issues with QJ when most of the player pool is raising at least 30-40% of their hands here.
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Old 02-26-2009, 11:31 AM #10 (permalink)  
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In regards to hand 1, villain is generally passive, and is the type of player to check back flushes and straights on the turn. As hes not the pfr the only hand I really see in his range that I beat that makes a small river raise is kj, and even then I think he flats my bet most of the time. I checked the turn as I definitely wasn't happy bet/getting it in on effectively the worst turn in the deck for me seeing as all flushes and q10 got there i.e. most of his range. Obviously I bet half pot on the river to get value from his 2 pairs qj,j10,kq hands.
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Are you seriously concerned about kicker issues with QJ when most of the player pool is raising at least 30-40% of their hands here.
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:13 PM #12 (permalink)  

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Hand 1 - I think Id bet the turn here alot. On the river I like the smaller value bet and fold to a raise.

Hand 2 - I think Id call this one often enough and I think preflop is fine.
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 hand 1: calling small PP's in the blinds vs against a typ. button opening range isn't going to be profitable usually. Also i lead this flop alot 3 way on such a draw heavy board, i'm suprised no one has mentioned this yet.

hand 2: flip a coin. your reasoning behind the hand is spot on, but idk how much hes firing 3 barrells. Like someone else said, if this is the first time you've seen him 3 barrell, i might fold, but if hes been really aggro, like you said, i think i look this up.
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:52 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 Hmm there's absolutely nothing wrong with folding preflop in hand 2, and I'd recommend it unless u have a specific reason like: 1) you're a postflop god OOP and/or 2) opponent is terribad
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Hmm there's absolutely nothing wrong with folding preflop in hand 2, and I'd recommend it unless u have a specific reason like: 1) you're a postflop god OOP and/or 2) opponent is terribad
I guess it's a fold preflop then as A) I am definitely not a postflop god, and B) oppenent was fairly decent.
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