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d0zer
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07-03-2009, 03:01 PM
Post subject: 200NL: AA (ez spot?)
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Villain is playing 37/18/2, 4% 3b over 80 hands.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG SeraphimV ($213.00)
CO Hero ($200.00)
BTN AAindaBB ($248.50)
SB DAXA81 ($77.90)
BB jakabjan ($247.35)
Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO  
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, DAXA81 calls $5, jakabjan raises to $10, Hero raises to $26, DAXA81 folds, jakabjan calls $16
Flop:    ($58, 2 players)
jakabjan checks, Hero bets $32, jakabjan calls $32
Turn:  ($122, 2 players)
jakabjan checks, Hero bets $42, jakabjan calls $42
River:  ($206, 2 players)
jakabjan checks, Hero ($100)?
I hate that river because when he takes this c/c, c/c line I think he's got JJ/QQ here a lot and I doubt JJ calls a river shove now. There's 6 combos of AK, 3 KK, 3 QQ, so a shove is oEV if we weight each equally, but +EV if we think he'll call with TT/JJ. -EV if we don't think he'll play AK like this enough. Also on the offchance he played KQ like this I'm in trouble but I don't think he 3bets KQ.
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you know if he's flatting a 4b his range is not QQ+, AK
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bode
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$44 on the flop and jam turn vs this villain.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by bode
$44 on the flop and jam turn vs this villain.
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this.
your turn sizing is tilting me! why would you want to leave a half pot shove on river? You have to plan your sizing better from the flop.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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jyms
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There is no way I am only talkinga bout JJ+ and AK in this hand, but that J still sucks. And what griffey said, what was the goal of the 1/3 turn bet? He called a 3bet and a flop bet. I think he may not believe you (What do you think he thinks of you?) and is trying to showdown a K, or has a decent draw you gave him odds to play through the river.
I bet small here as played and hope to get paid by a Kxs or AJ bluff catcher. He's folding a ton of his Suited shit that hit the flop but missed.
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meeloche
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I would 4 bet bigger vs this guy. As played i would bet enough on the flop to shove every turn.
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by bode
$44 on the flop and jam turn vs this villain.
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your turn sizing is tilting me! why would you want to leave a half pot shove on river? You have to plan your sizing better from the flop. |
why not size it this way and shove river
it seems fine to me
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Alexos
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Originally Posted by meeloche
I would 4 bet bigger vs this guy. As played i would bet enough on the flop to shove every turn.
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32$ pre, 2/3 flop, shove turn
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jyms
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by bode
$44 on the flop and jam turn vs this villain.
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your turn sizing is tilting me! why would you want to leave a half pot shove on river? You have to plan your sizing better from the flop. |
why not size it this way and shove river
it seems fine to me |
Becasue the board is drawy as hell and one of two things can happen, either we lose our action to a scare card, or he hit's his draw. adjusting the bet sizing allows us to get the money in on the Turn, when we have a bigger equity advantage vs his range of hands. God knows we ain't folding now anyway on the river no matter what falls off.
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by bode
$44 on the flop and jam turn vs this villain.
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this.
your turn sizing is tilting me! why would you want to leave a half pot shove on river? You have to plan your sizing better from the flop. |
why not size it this way and shove river
it seems fine to me |
Would you want to leave a half pot bluff on the river if you had 9T or AJdd here or something?
This also isn't a spot where villain is particularly weak. He has just squeezed us AND called a 4bet OOP... we don't need to get fancy. He has a hand.. just ship it on the turn and let him decide if he wants to bluff catch with it.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by bode
$44 on the flop and jam turn vs this villain.
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this.
your turn sizing is tilting me! why would you want to leave a half pot shove on river? You have to plan your sizing better from the flop. |
why not size it this way and shove river
it seems fine to me |
the board is drawy enough and villain is seemingly bad enough, and vs his range that is calling 3 streets hes just as likely to call off his stack on the turn.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by bode
$44 on the flop and jam turn vs this villain.
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this.
your turn sizing is tilting me! why would you want to leave a half pot shove on river? You have to plan your sizing better from the flop. |
why not size it this way and shove river
it seems fine to me |
Would you want to leave a half pot bluff on the river if you had 9T or AJdd here or something?
This also isn't a spot where villain is particularly weak. He has just squeezed us AND called a 4bet OOP... we don't need to get fancy. He has a hand.. just ship it on the turn and let him decide if he wants to bluff catch with it. |
actually yes, I'd bluff here on the river for half pot vs. someone who's capable of folding
I didn't see that villain was bad, definitely better to bet big on the flop and shove turn
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d0zer
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I think this kinda guy defaults to calling rather than 3betting, so I really thought his 3b range is tighter than some are suggesting.
Because of that I wasn't worried too worried about draws, so my turn bet sizing was to make it easier for him to continue with lower pairs. AK I figure we're getting in anyway, even if another diamond comes down and once he's so committed by the turn bet I don't seen how he folds TT-QQ to a river shove. I'm letting him draw to 2 outs most of the time here imo, though I guess TT-JJ can see more scare cards than QQ.
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Alexos
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Originally Posted by d0zer
I think this kinda guy defaults to calling rather than 3betting, so I really thought his 3b range is tighter than some are suggesting.
Because of that I wasn't worried too worried about draws, so my turn bet sizing was to make it easier for him to continue with lower pairs. AK I figure we're getting in anyway, even if another diamond comes down and once he's so committed by the turn bet I don't seen how he folds TT-QQ to a river shove. I'm letting him draw to 2 outs most of the time here imo, though I guess TT-JJ can see more scare cards than QQ.
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This is good reasoning.
The only thing I'd add is that bad hand readers will put you on those draws anyways, so you don't want a turned diamnd to kill your action, for example.
And it's also even more of a reason to raise bigger preflop.
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Toaster
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As played value town him for a small bet equal to the turn bet. Others are correct though. You are making a lot of bet sizing mistakes overall. Your 4-bet preflop should have been like $30-$35.
What you are doing can have the effect of making your lines unbalanced for when you are in (non 4-bet) spots where you want to maximize fold equity against a mid range when you are behind and want the opponent to fold.
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