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Old 07-22-2009, 09:14 PM     Post subject: 200nl 88 and AK postflop fun #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1
Opp is 28/24 over 65 hands but I think he was tighter when this hand occured.

Im lost on the turn, theres a pretty good chance he has a Jack here but there are so many odds. Usually id check flop here but since theres a super shorty in the hand I dont mind getting it in vs him and also look fairly strong vs the other player.

Turn, honestly dont know whether its best to bet, c/c or c/f? so many rivers become impossible and my range becomes so so weak looking which could make me cry call a river.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
Hero (UTG) ($261.20)
UTG+1 ($307.20)
CO ($304.40)
BTN ($241.95)
SB ($91.50)
BB ($40.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, CO calls $7, 2 folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($22, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14, BB folds

Turn: ($50, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34, $34 to Hero ($240.20)?

Hand 2
Opp is a 38/19 fish but do note he opened UTG. I think a preflop call is a solid play vs him since I should have super implied odds of winning alot vs him postflop.

I opt to lead instead of c/r bcoz he utg range is fairly decent imo and I think he could become a station if I start donking a donk.

His turn raise has my slightly confused as I wasnt expecting he really. I dont see many value hands he could have here but also why raise a draw here now instead of on flop. Any thoughts?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($190.35)
UTG+1 ($49.35)
CO ($235.00)
BTN ($213.05)
SB ($377.00)
Hero (BB) ($311.20)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
UTG raises to $6, 4 folds, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13, 2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10

Turn: ($33, 2 players)
Hero bets $26, UTG raises to $76, $50 to Hero ($269.20)?
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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my head exploded after I read hh#2
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Old 07-22-2009, 10:13 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 I probably fold just because river will be very difficult to play but it really doesn't look like your beat atm

Hand 2 Idk but I'm gonna say fold because he has AA ldo. Also guess what happens when you 3b pre? You can stack off here happily. But I don't get your logic behind not c/r the flop. If I called preflop I would def go for a c/r because nobody will ever think I have AK.

EDIT: I guess he could be floating Axdd, QJdd makes some sense too
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:21 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 1) just dump it, easy. flop bet is fine. On turn his range is basically Jx straights and fd's. You beat fd's, but even they have like 30% equity vs you.

2) i think vs a donk you can probably just 3bet pre for a lot of value, folding to a 4bet. Calling is ok. I think its a pretty big mistake to not c/r flop as played, and once he raises the turn like this I think its a super tough spot, but I'd fold.
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Old 07-22-2009, 11:30 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 in H1 if i wanted to continue on the turn, my play would be to just bet again and continue bluffing by bombing most rivers. when you check it is a simple fold to a reasonable bet.

in H2 i would agree with what renton said
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:09 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: You put yourself into a shitty spot on the turn because this is the bottom of your value range on the flop. Turns an easy check/fold if you check but I'd honestly bet it and c/f the river. I think there's a lot of explanation into why bet turn is significantly better than c/c but ill simply say his calling range is wider than his betting range.

Hand 2: If he was a CO raiser id prob call down but because its UTG I think you have to fold.
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Old 07-23-2009, 01:16 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 what about c/r turn? it seems like Jx would bet fold a ton and otherwise he would have mostly draws. we block the nut straight.
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Old 07-23-2009, 03:31 AM #8 (permalink)  
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say hand #1 we bet $34 and get called, river pot size is $118. whats our river bet - nutsinho mentioned bombing most rivers, which cards are we trying to avoid?
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Old 07-24-2009, 07:43 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - I c/f 88. So ISF goes with b/f turn, c/f river line while i think renton thinks c/f turn is good.

I wouldnt hate a c/r turn line then shove river but what size raise would you look to make and leave for a river shove.


Hand 2 - Ok Im cool with 3bet/folding AKo here then. c/r'ing flop is probably best if you guys say so. Ive explained why I did it but I will take your advice.

Turn is sick, I think he leaves himself with like $98 behind. Usually Id say when a reg or nit takes this line then they have it since they are unlikely to take this line with a drawy hand but vs a this fish I just felt that wasnt the case. I shoved (I think its maybe better than just calling) thinking he can have alot of draw hands in his range which will call of another $98 anyway on turn instead of me calling turn raise.
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