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Old 01-16-2008, 10:49 PM     Post subject: 200bb's deep OOP... hmmm Nice Flop. #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain and I have been tangling and the most recent hand was me calling him down with AJ on AT6 w/FD vs his 66. We’re both probably something like 24/20, his vpip might be a bit higher than mine but I haven’t caught him out of line so far. He hasn’t been calling my 3-bets much at all but I’d guess he’s opening up his calling range with a few hands that can flop big as well as the usual range here with SB vs Btn.

What’s your plan for the hand?

$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 14, 15:27:20 ET 2008
Table Table 127028 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: aabluffer5 ( $766.40 USD )
Seat 3: areuenraged ( $418 USD )
Seat 4: pastoren1111 ( $494.20 USD )
Seat 5: PokerTheos2 ( $695.40 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $792 USD )
Seat 6: ZoMgItZaTrAp ( $400 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$2 USD].
areuenraged posts big blind [$4 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
PokerTheos2 folds.
ZoMgItZaTrAp folds.
aabluffer5 raises [$14 USD]
HERO raises [$54 USD]
areuenraged folds.
aabluffer5 calls [$42 USD]

** Dealing Flop ** (107$)

Hero… is wondering about different possible 3-street plans.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 01-17-2008, 03:25 AM #2 (permalink)  
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start by betting the flop no matter what the plan is
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Old 01-17-2008, 04:06 AM #3 (permalink)  
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start by betting the flop no matter what the plan is
Bet/3bet the flop
 
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 If he repops the flop we have 0 FE so i dont like bet/3b. If he doesn't raise though, I'd c/c the turn and c/c river and expect to win a lot of the time even if we don't hit our flush. I think your going to get floated more than your going to get worse to call a two barrel.
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 yeah bet/3bet kinda seems like overkill that deep against this guy. I like the idea of betting flop, c/c turn and sometimes river unimproved.
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i'd also bet the flop. i might c/r the turn if he calls, since he he rarely has a better hand if he just calls the flop with deep stacks, and he might bet-fold with KJ and worse. calling the turn makes sense too though.
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i'd also bet the flop. i might c/r the turn if he calls, since he he rarely has a better hand if he just calls the flop with deep stacks, and he might bet-fold with KJ and worse. calling the turn makes sense too though.
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Old 01-17-2008, 03:38 PM     Post subject: Re: 200bb's deep OOP... hmmm Nice Flop. #8 (permalink)  
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aabluffer5 raises [$14 USD]
HERO raises [$54 USD]
areuenraged folds.
aabluffer5 calls [$42 USD]
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** Dealing Flop ** (107$)
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 I wanna eat that flop to breakfast lunch and dinner.
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 Am I the only one who doesn't like the preflop 3-bet?

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Am I the only one who doesn't like the preflop 3-bet?
I don't think its great.. but I don't mind it.. depending on the dynamic of how they have been playing.

I'd prefer a more polarized range though.

I like the preflop 3-bet more than the idea of bet/3-betting this flop though. The flop looks nice and all, but anything that would continue in this hand after a 3-bet on the flop will be 2pair or better and we likely have no FE.

I like the proposed line of b/c, c/c and c/c or c/f river unimproved depending on our read/feel. I dont think many players are 3-street bluffing on this board, after we call flop and turn.
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Am I the only one who doesn't like the preflop 3-bet?
I like it 200BB deep against his raising range.
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:33 PM #13 (permalink)  
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start by betting the flop no matter what the plan is
give him the root beer?
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:21 PM #14 (permalink)  
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id rather drink it up 104 bb deep
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:26 PM #15 (permalink)  
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giving him the root beer would work much better on a lower flop. i dont think he is very likely to float here, he could raise obviously but he has a hand way too much
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