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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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01-27-2012, 05:55 PM
Post subject: 200bb+ deep, QQ overpair gets shoved on turn 50NL
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We have been playing HU on two tables for a little over an hour. Shes pretty tight. I have been 2xing the button 100% of the time and she has not been adjusting. Postflop she calls a lot more than she raises. Once she raises that turn I know im beat....what my question is can I have played the flop and turn better?
She has 200bb+ and I have her covered.
Dealt to Hero:
 
BU Villain PFR $1.50
BB Hero reraises to $5
Flop $10:
  
Hero bets $6.5, Villain raises to $14, Hero 3b to $29, Villain calls $15
Turn $68:
Hero bets $30, Villain goes all in for $73, $43 for hero to call, Hero Folds
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Chusko
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I don't understand 3betting pre and flop only to b/f turn.
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pocketfours
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3bet flop a little bigger and jam turn. Alternatively just call the flop raise and c/c down.
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Toadstool
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chusko
I don't understand 3betting pre and flop only to b/f turn.
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Villain's raising range >>>>> QQ >>>>> Villain's calling range.
I'd prefer to call the flop raise then put in a 3B personally. You'll gain a lot more information about villain's range on the turn, based on the card/timing/sizing etc and protecting your equity here isn't much of a factor considering you're very likely WA/WB.
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Fnord
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What's her range look like when she raises the (ten high rainbow) flop after a called pre 3-bet? How do you expect her to react to the re-raise?
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
What's her range look like when she raises the (ten high rainbow) flop after a called pre 3-bet? How do you expect her to react to the re-raise?
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When she raises, it looks like a set to me. Rarely JJ. I expect her to 4b KK/AA pre. I 3B flop in the slim chance that she has JJ or if she spazzed bluff raised or something. I was intending on folding to a 4B jam on the flop.
I kind of wish instead of the line I took I 3B bigger on flop, to say $40 with intention to fold to a 4B or if I get called, just C/F turn as I really don't see her calling a bigger 3B on the flop with worse and then betting turn.
Leakage thinking?
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Toadstool
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You may as well have air, rather than QQ if you aren't going to put any more money in if you 4B to $40 and villain continues. You're basically turning it into a bluff, in which case you may as well fold to the flop raise if you don't think villain has enough air or worse hands in their range in order for QQ to be a bluffcatcher.
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rpm
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i really don't get 3betting the flop with a hand like QQ on a dry board in 3b pot if you don't want to take it to the felt on a blank turn.
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Chusko
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rpm
i really don't get 3betting the flop with a hand like QQ on a dry board in 3b pot if you don't want to take it to the felt on a blank turn.
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What I said and got caught shit for.
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Fnord
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Quote:
Originally Posted by L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
When she raises, it looks like a set to me. Rarely JJ. I expect her to 4b KK/AA pre.
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So her raise range is mostly:
JJ/QQ
Sets
Air
This is assuming she's dropping most 2 pair hands pre-flop...
So why are you re-raising her with a QQ overpair here if she's not raising enough hands for value on the flop?
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pocketfours
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3bet dynamics pls cmon. And what's with this calling him she?
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fnord
So why are you re-raising her with a QQ overpair here if she's not raising enough hands for value on the flop?
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At the time, my thoughts were something like this:
If I 3b here, she will fold all worse and raise everything that beats me so I can happily fold to a 4b. It was as if I was value betting AND bluffing at the sametime? lol
As I typed what I was thinking, I realize how retarded it sounds.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketfours
Alternatively just call the flop raise and c/c down.
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If we choose this line, are we ever folding on the turn/river based on card + bet size?
Lets say blank turn, 3/4 pot bet, blank river, 3/4 pot bet...r we calling down?
Lets say K turn, 3/4 pot bet, A river, 3/4 pot bet?
Appreciate all the feedback you guys have been giving.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketfours
3bet dynamics pls cmon.
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Folds her BB too much and does not 3b. Have been getting away 2xing button 100% of the time.
She showed down AK twice in 3b pots where we got it all in. Early in the session, one of the flop was AKT, I had AT. she cbet after 3bing, I raised and she only flatted. blank turn, she checked, i shoved she tanked, took her time and called.
Do not remember my 3b tendencies from that session but I wasn't being too crazy or anything. Just know she was folding a lot pre.
Generally she has been calling postflop rather than raising. This is in single raise pots tho. I have seen her do this with two pairs as well as QQ on a drawy board where i bricked a pair + FD. This was when stacks were a little more than 100bb.
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pocketfours
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Quote:
Originally Posted by L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
If we choose this line, are we ever folding on the turn/river based on card + bet size?
Lets say blank turn, 3/4 pot bet, blank river, 3/4 pot bet...r we calling down?
Lets say K turn, 3/4 pot bet, A river, 3/4 pot bet?
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I probably wouldn't take a passive line with the intention of folding a hand as strong as this one. You could flip a coin for balance on scarecards though, especially if you feel like you don't know your opponent's strategy very well.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Dude, 1)shove turn or call flop 2) wtf you're thinking of folding with 5:1 hu with an overpair when he could easily have worse?
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