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Old 02-06-2006, 06:05 AM     Post subject: 200 NL 6-max Bluffing top pair top kicker = bad idea #1 (permalink)  
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This guy thought I had the flush draw despite my smooth call with position. I now know not to make moves on people that continuation bet, because generally if they do so, they dont want to part with their hand!

This hand also illustrates why reraising pre-flop with position is almost ALWAYS a bad idea.

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$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, February 06, 02:03:41 EDT 2006
Table Table 65480 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: seapine ( $103.95 )
Seat 3: JBIGWHEELS ( $532.40 )
Seat 6: Evil_Ecstasy ( $195.85 )
Seat 1: paceosborn ( $244 )
Seat 5: pikay ( $191.80 )
Seat 4: maxdin ( $211.05 )
paceosborn posts small blind [$1].
seapine posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Evil_Ecstasy [ Qh Qs ]
JBIGWHEELS folds.
maxdin folds.
pikay raises [$8].
Evil_Ecstasy calls [$8].
paceosborn folds.
seapine folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 4h, 5d ]
pikay bets [$15].
Evil_Ecstasy raises [$30].
pikay calls [$15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9c ]
pikay bets [$25].
Evil_Ecstasy raises [$100].
pikay is all-In [$128.80]
Evil_Ecstasy calls [$53.80].
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
Evil_Ecstasy shows [ Qh, Qs ] a pair of queens.
pikay doesn't show [ Kd, 7d ] a pair of sevens.
Evil_Ecstasy wins $383.60 from the main pot with a pair of queens.
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hmmm..... by NOT reraising then you are putting yourself in tougher decisions postflop.

However, THIS flop was GREAT for QQ.

I would have played this the same POSTFLOP. As for preflop, It would depend on my opponent.

If he's not very "good" [haha] then I just go ahead and call his preflop raise.

**As a side note. If I had a hand like AKs, AQs... then I WILL go ahead and reraise this.

QQ [a made hand] is different.
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Old 02-06-2006, 06:55 AM     Post subject: Re: 200 NL 6-max Bluffing top pair top kicker = bad idea #3 (permalink)  
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This guy thought I had the flush draw despite my smooth call with position.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 4h, 5d ]
pikay bets [$15].
Evil_Ecstasy raises [$30].
pikay calls [$15].
I am a bit confused but I guess you are talking about PF call. In general, I dont really like min-raising but they tend to work fine against certain types of fishies. I would just like to hear your reasoning for flop min-raise, juice up the pot? give FE? repserent xxx?

There are numerous scare cards on turn if (and apparently when) villains PFR hand range is wide. Any heart, 8, 7, 3, might be a killer to you.. With this much left I would raise to $50 to create some FE (but also bloating the pot) or just call, keep the pot moderate and try to jam the turn if we think we are ahead.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:17 PM     Post subject: Re: 200 NL 6-max Bluffing top pair top kicker = bad idea #4 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by spino1i
This guy thought I had the flush draw despite my smooth call with position.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 4h, 5d ]
pikay bets [$15].
Evil_Ecstasy raises [$30].
pikay calls [$15].
I am a bit confused but I guess you are talking about PF call. In general, I dont really like min-raising but they tend to work fine against certain types of fishies. I would just like to hear your reasoning for flop min-raise, juice up the pot? give FE? repserent xxx?

There are numerous scare cards on turn if (and apparently when) villains PFR hand range is wide. Any heart, 8, 7, 3, might be a killer to you.. With this much left I would raise to $50 to create some FE (but also bloating the pot) or just call, keep the pot moderate and try to jam the turn if we think we are ahead.
i agree, theres a good spot for minraising, but this is not one of them
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:24 PM     Post subject: Re: 200 NL 6-max Bluffing top pair top kicker = bad idea #5 (permalink)  
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This hand also illustrates why reraising pre-flop with position is almost ALWAYS a bad idea.
I don't get it, you didn't reraise. Your opp only raised.
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Old 02-06-2006, 02:12 PM #6 (permalink)  
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He's saying that if he did reraise, then he wouldn't have got nearly as much action.
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Old 02-06-2006, 02:29 PM     Post subject: Re: 200 NL 6-max Bluffing top pair top kicker = bad idea #7 (permalink)  
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This hand also illustrates why reraising pre-flop with position is almost ALWAYS a bad idea.
If you only reraise with AA-QQ preflop, then yes.
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Old 02-06-2006, 03:06 PM     Post subject: Re: 200 NL 6-max Bluffing top pair top kicker = bad idea #8 (permalink)  
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This hand also illustrates why reraising pre-flop with position is almost ALWAYS a bad idea.
there are times where you might make more by smooth calling preflop, but reraising with these hands is almost NEVER a bad idea.
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