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Da GOAT

07-22-2009, 09:30 PM Post subject: 200 nl 2 hands vs same opp. Some history

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Same opp in both hands, I do have some history. He played passively calling down KQ on K high FD flop until river and called a shove on an A river too. I had 2 pair for K4s which 3bet light in blinds (this happened maybe 1 month ago so dunno if he remembers). Also in BvB spot I called pre AJ and called down A high flop till river then cb when checked too, he folded.

He plays 26/20. Steals a good amount, opens 20% in almost almost all spots besides button. 77% cb % but I dont rate this stat much.

Basically Im looking for a reason to call these rivers. Tbh Im having a problem in spots when the flop checks through and I have SD or some value. Any tips on such spots in general would be cool too.

Hand 1

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($67.95)
Hero (UTG+1) ($220.65)
CO ($200.00)
BTN ($242.80)
SB ($62.65)
BB ($212.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1

1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 3 folds, BB calls $5

Flop:

($15, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn:

($15, 2 players)
BB bets $12, Hero calls $12

River:

($39, 2 players)
BB bets $32, $32 to Hero ($201.65)?

Hand 2

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($203.00)
UTG+1 ($251.05)
CO ($348.10)
Hero (BTN) ($332.20)
SB ($188.35)
BB ($59.35)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN

2 folds, CO raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 2 folds

Flop:

($17, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn:

($17, 2 players)
CO bets $14, Hero calls $14

River:

($45, 2 players)
CO bets $38, $38 to Hero ($311.20)?

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bjsaust

07-22-2009, 10:27 PM

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Wouldn't hand 1 be decent for a c-bet with a BDFD and doesnt really hit his range much?

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07-22-2009, 11:54 PM

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When you call like that in hand 1 it's pretty sick
but you can only do that if he never does this with like 88 for thin value which I guess most people won't do unless they're good
theoretically you should call here at least some of the time because you defined your range on the flop and turn as something of medium strength and a lot of people will be betting the river after they bet the turn because they expect you to fold your ace high or whatever

hand 2 is like the opposite, he has the ace quite a bit here, and if he doesn't he probably has a backdoor flush draw or something
I don't know, people just play these ace high boards retarded with AJ or something more than anything

Renton

07-23-2009, 12:06 AM

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i think they are both folds, the second one being easier than the first.

bspahn

07-23-2009, 12:14 AM

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H1: fold - you probably have 15 outs on turn, good equity, just value bet rivers that you hit and fold otherwise. hero calling Ahi seems to often not go all that well.

H2: fold/raise - do we have more or less FD's in our range than villain? he would cbet with random backdoor spade hands wouldn't he? is his range here AJ+/2pr+ for value betting

Renton

07-23-2009, 12:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bspahn

H2: fold/raise - do we have more or less FD's in our range than villain? he would cbet with random backdoor spade hands wouldn't he? is his range here AJ+/2pr+ for value betting

good eye, its a pretty cool spot to raise

bspahn

07-23-2009, 03:02 AM

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this assumes that we wouldn't bluff at this checked flop with two spades (if we had some spades, say QT/QJs) to check back this flop as a lot of player seem to check these sorts of flops with B range Ax hands (A8/A9/AT etc) and we can apply a lot of pressure if we get favorable turn cards for our hand?

if opp has a tendency to fold except the very top of his range we could make it, say 112$ here

Da GOAT

07-23-2009, 07:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Renton

Quote:

Originally Posted by bspahn

H2: fold/raise - do we have more or less FD's in our range than villain? he would cbet with random backdoor spade hands wouldn't he? is his range here AJ+/2pr+ for value betting

good eye, its a pretty cool spot to raise

I didnt think about it at the table, I know I pretty much never have the straight here unless Ive a pocket pair which Id probably let go of on turn anyway and people dont tend to beleive backdoor flushes this way so I just opted to fold there. I would have to make a sizeable raise there to get a fold.

I folded hand 1 also. I guess my problem there is thinking about all the possible hands he may have, possibly comes down to being unsure of his preflop calling range.

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Irisheyes

07-23-2009, 07:50 AM

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1) I would cbet this flop and barrel a ton of turns and rivers because his c/c range on this flop has loads of mid/bottom pair and GS or just weak top pair type stuff. I don't think the history is relevant enough to affect my decision here.

As played I probably fold but I wouldn't hate a call. I like a call with AhQh a decent bit better by the way.

Do people think that AQ = A7 here?

Hand 2) Raise>>>fold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>call but I doubt I would think of raising in the moment.

07-23-2009, 04:01 PM

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GOAT, if the flop checks through a backdoor flush is MORE likely because if you had a flush draw you'd bet the flop, but if you have a backdoor flush draw you'd probably check it back and call the turn.

Da GOAT

07-23-2009, 10:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

I agree with you on hand 1 pretty much 100%. Either barrel or check down now. Barrelling Id bet turns a ton of profit tho.

You say AQhh since he could be bluffing a missed fd right

AQ is probably more like K7

Hand 2 - I did think of it at the table

but when against it. Its close enough. I do in general think about raising on rivers in similiar spots a fair amount with good results. There was a BFP vid by Giggy on this.

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Da GOAT

07-23-2009, 10:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I would agree with u there

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Vi-Zer0Skill

07-23-2009, 10:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

1) I would cbet this flop and barrel a ton of turns and rivers because his c/c range on this flop has loads of mid/bottom pair and GS or just weak top pair type stuff. I don't think the history is relevant enough to affect my decision here.

As played I probably fold but I wouldn't hate a call. I like a call with AhQh a decent bit better by the way.

Do people think that AQ = A7 here?

Hand 2) Raise>>>fold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>call but I doubt I would think of raising in the moment.

if i were BB in hand one i would bet the river with A7s, thinking to get value from 66/weaker sevens. since most players wouldn't bluff a missed flush on the river in DG's shoes, BB would rather bet/fold his medium str hand here rather than induce an unlikely bluff and face a polarized range.

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Da GOAT

07-24-2009, 07:53 AM

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do u mean SB instead of BB i nyour first line Vi?

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