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Old 02-05-2008, 10:02 PM     Post subject: 2 turn bets? #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is nitty reg 20/12/3.5. Went to SD is 27%.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG ($383.50)
UTG+1 ($111.95)
CO ($204.70)
BTN ($278.90)
SB ($276.37)
Hero ($210.20)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BB
UTG calls $2, UTG+1 calls $2, 3 folds, Hero raises to $10, UTG calls $8, UTG+1 folds

Flop: ($25, 2 players)
Hero bets $17, UTG calls $17

Turn: ($59, 2 players)
Hero ($183.2)?


Villain is loose fish with 34/13 stats. Probably calls flop with a wide range.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($85.70)
UTG+1 ($455.25)
CO ($328.40)
Hero ($220.70)
SB ($325.70)
BB ($198.00)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is BTN
2 folds, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $9, 2 folds, CO calls $7

Flop: ($21, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($49, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero ($197.7)?
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:21 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: I think this is a standard bet/fold, no?

Hand 2: I imagine the jack hits his range, so i tend to c/f these. But it sure feels weak, since u often folds the best hand if he bets.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:29 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1 yeah
2 i think betting would be decent but a lot more marginal than the first one
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 1) bet bigger preflop to $14 and yeah b/f
2) i feel kind of meh about it. betting is fine but so is checking behind. we have anywhere from 7-10 outs and possibly winning.
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 Hand 1: How does he play flush draws? If he's passive about it I like the turn bet.

Hand 2: yeah


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 I tend to check back the second one.

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Ok cool. I bet both of them at the time so happy about that. Just to be clear about it, if we bet the second hand is it for value or is it a bluff?
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wow i never saw this side of the argument. thanks for opening my eyes.
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Hand 1 I would bet.

Hand 2 I would probably check behind because I don't want to get c/red and he won't fold his T's. Which I think is most of his range btw.
If our plan is to 3 barrel lots of rivers I like betting turn more.
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wow i never saw this side of the argument. thanks for opening my eyes.
Well if you disagree than ask a question.

Irish: 2nd one would be a bluff but ofc sometimes its value, a lot of bluffs are always value versus draws as long as we dont expect him to reraise them.
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Misread the hh. U are in position in hand 2 so i bet this a lot of the time. A bet doesn't only charge draws, it also often allows u to check behind for free on river. This is nice cus u don't have to play guessing game, as he would many times bet into u on river with both air and weak pairs if u check turn.
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 hand one is like the quintessential bet/fold
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 hand 1 - I don't mind bet/fold here. sometimes I c/c though, if I t hink he was peeling off the flop with a mid pair. If turn checks through I bet/fold river.

hand 2 - I hate the idea of getting c/rd off my draw here so I prob check through and hope for my (hopefully) 10 outs.
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Irish: 2nd one would be a bluff but ofc sometimes its value, a lot of bluffs are always value versus draws as long as we dont expect him to reraise them.
Well given the read his turn call range is like any decent TP (9 kicker or better), any hearts any spades, 2 pair+. I just don't see what we're bluffing him off except like middle pair.
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