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metaxy6

04-26-2006, 02:03 AM Post subject: 2 Suited Broadway Hands

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2 suited broadway hands with same villian, different games - 1-2 hours apart.
He's at best average Lagg, a little tilted from dropping approx 1.5 buyins.
Given the action on the 1st hand, how's the line on the 2nd?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $189.90
UTG+1: $551.37
Hero: $98.90
Button: $57.20
SB: $142.25
BB: $314.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with :10d :qd
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: :8d :9c :jh ($7, 2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, SB raises all-in $139.25, Hero calls all-in $80.9.
Uncalled bets: $43.35 returned to SB.

Turn: :7h ($198.8, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $198.8)

River: :10h ($198.8, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $198.8)

Results:
Final pot: $198.8
SB Shows Qs Jc
Hero Shows 10d Qd

No Limit Holdem Ring game
6 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $83.90
UTG+1: $40.20
CO: $71.20
Button: $294.85
SB: $221.80
BB: $629.27

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with J

Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 7

($16.5, 4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, CO bets $8, BB folds, Hero raises to $32, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Turn: 8

($80.5, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $47.9, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $47.9 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $80.5

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bdawg56kg

04-26-2006, 03:22 AM

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Location: Honolulu

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2nd hand I don't like it simply because stack sizes are not quite deep enough for you to cr the flop and be able to shove turn with enough fold equity (about a pot sized bet) if you miss. I think a much better line is to bet/3-bet ai. If he just calls the flop lead, you can re-evaluate on the turn. Lead, c/c, or cr ai are all good lines if you miss.

Also, I raise or fold preflop here. I don't like limping utg, or for that matter I don't like limping at all, unless the table is full of calling stations.

metaxy6

04-26-2006, 04:26 AM

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Posts: 328

Thanks. Ya, I figured to catch heat for limping. Yes, players are inclined to call, but that's not my reasoning here on the limp. There's lots of playback between villian and myself and I want to break off the buy-ins he's loading onto the table.

I've been playing raise or fold, but villian is getting wary of my c-bets, so I go for a limp w/ a strong speculative hand. You can see from 1st hand he's willing to play stacks, so I want to get in with these now and then even if needs be oop. I expect the villian to apply pre-flop pressure w/ position.
If I 3-4x BBrz, then I'd have to fold to anything but a min re-rz hu oop (can't call 10-12x), with just a small % of dead $ in the pot.
A big question for me is whether limping, even UTG, is an acceptable way to mix things up, particularly in this kind of situation.

Let me think more about the post-flop advice. I'm honestly just getting a hold on playing games where the majority of stacks are effective. I took this line for this specific opponent, but in no way do I claim that makes it correct. A big consideration is that he's a powderkeg who will push in an instant. The flop gives me almost half the deck to a winner. I don't bet out because he very well might push and put me to a tough decision... I think that he's actually less likely to push over top of my cr, and besides if he does the decision is easier.

I take down the pot and give pause to future position plays. Also, a key opponent gets pissed off.

note: edited for clarity after sleep.

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