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Old 01-20-2009, 08:32 AM     Post subject: 2 spots 100nl #1 (permalink)  
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Opp has stats about 24/21. Ive a fair amount of hands on him, mostly mined. No big pot history I can think of. he 3bets 4-5% overall.

Whats the best line if I reckon he is full of shit? Is this a simple fold?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
5 players
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Stacks:
UTG Hero ($100.00)
CO lezleeke ($113.23)
BTN PokeyReese ($237.88)
SB givmild ($101.00)
BB hundenkalle ($101.95)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, PokeyReese calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $7, PokeyReese raises to $24, $17 to Hero ($89)?

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Opp is a nit 17/12 who plays abit odd. Not much history but imo he floats more than other nit, not much relevance to this hand tho. He multitables.

I couldnt figure why on earth he would think CR a straight would be better than him leading river since my holding is so weak. and unlikely to bet. He is surely losing a shit load of value on river by CRing if he has it which is why I figure he has turned his v wide turn leading range into a bluff.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG hundenkalle ($100.57)
CO Hero ($100.00)
BTN lezleeke ($111.88)
SB PokeyReese ($238.88)
BB FilthBox ($122.27)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is CO
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, FilthBox calls $2

Flop: ($6.50, 2 players)
FilthBox checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6.50, 2 players)
FilthBox bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($14.50, 2 players)
FilthBox checks, Hero bets $10, FilthBox raises to $33, Hero raises to $93
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Old 01-20-2009, 08:57 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 hand 2: ffs why are we shoving?? did you forget that you have a pair?
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:23 AM #3 (permalink)  
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hmm i may of not thought that true, i probably just went with ''he cant call unless he has a 6'' theory.

so u obv think call then? call>shove>fold??
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 well a shove is certainly the worst option. please give one hand such that T9<yz<6x that would c/r the river and what logic a player would use to justify check-raising the river with this hand.
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Old 01-20-2009, 10:00 AM #5 (permalink)  
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good point, well Id expect mostly air to CR turn or something super weak as btm pair no kicker or Q high type stuff. Def a range where Tx is ahead.

since ive mentioned no hands worse than 6x greater than Tx then i cant answer the second part of your post.

tbh i think you've hit the nail on the head that calling is way way better.
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:14 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 hand 1 - He's not repping much on this board other than sets, though you're UTG and he's still raising you so thats worrisome. I call and re-eval here.

Hand 2 - wow I fold to riv c/r pretty often, and I'm not even sure how often I'd bet here vs a nit. As played, he either has air or a straight here so there's certainly no value in a re-shove. He's not c/r a better hand than yours that will also fold to a shove.

And also I think people DO c/r straights here, because they want to stack you instead of just getting one more bet in. Looks like the plan worked! A hand like 68 would/should probably also c/r.
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:19 PM #7 (permalink)  
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very good points griffey24, i have to say i agree with everything in this thread
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Old 01-20-2009, 01:56 PM #8 (permalink)  
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a problem i had with hand 1 is whether to flat or shove.

shoving takes down the pot since theres no guarantee ill expect further bluff barrels from opp if i call, tons of turn cards sucks for me esp if he knows which bluff hands have the greater equity vs my range ie overs.

silliness caused me not to give more thought to my position tho.
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:04 PM #9 (permalink)  
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a problem i had with hand 1 is whether to flat or shove.

shoving takes down the pot since theres no guarantee ill expect further bluff barrels from opp if i call, tons of turn cards sucks for me esp if he knows which bluff hands have the greater equity vs my range ie overs.

silliness caused me not to give more thought to my position tho.
Shoving is really not good here, given there are like no draws at all. You're UTG and he perceives you to have a certain range from UTG (if he's a thinking player). Your hand is pretty much the worst hand he'd expect you to shove here for value, so he's continuing against a range he perceives to be like JJ+ or something.

He would need to be on some level where he's value raising A9 vs your utg range expecting you to ship AK, in order for shoving here to be good.

If there were more draws that would be very different, but in this case it seems like air or sets to me.
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:08 PM #10 (permalink)  
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so u reckon call but fold to a turn bet.

whats do you think of opp flop raise size?? imo is abit large for a flop like this right? if i was opp wudnt i get away with bluffing and value raising for something a decent clip smaller? like $18-$20
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:17 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - If I don't have a read that villain is capable of a multi-barrell bluff then I probably would call here and evaluate the turn action. Villain could be raising here with a smaller pp hoping that will slow you down and enable him to get to the river cheaply.
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Old 01-20-2009, 02:22 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Villain could be raising here with a smaller pp hoping that will slow you down and enable him to get to the river cheaply.
this is prob something most ppl will never do unless i stack off super light
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Old 01-20-2009, 09:33 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 call flop on hand 1 obv nuts is right on hand 2
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Old 01-20-2009, 11:24 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 I like the 3bet in nr2 for value. I would raise to 72ish though.

I'm of course assuming you have the image of a retarded spew-monkey.
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Old 01-21-2009, 07:32 AM #15 (permalink)  
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P4, i dont have that image.

thx for your help everyone
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Old 01-21-2009, 08:54 AM #16 (permalink)  
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P4, i dont have that image.

thx for your help everyone
I didn't think so, but at some pokertable somewhere, some day, for whatever reason, you might have that image....

Just pointing out that one man's garbage is another man's gold.
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Old 01-21-2009, 09:19 AM #17 (permalink)  
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lol thx
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hand 1 I think you have to call flop/reevaluate turn.
hand 2 just check down only thing that calls/raises is a hand better than yours.
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