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Old 04-18-2008, 03:14 AM     Post subject: 2 similar spots calling flop raises OOP #1 (permalink)  
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 heres 2 hands where i raise in EP, cbet and call a flop raise on drawy boards.

hand 1: villain is 30/20/2 over 35 hands. i feel like i have to call the flop raise here because of the draw heavy board. i dont know about my turn call.

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($266.60)
MP ($47.85)
CO ($105.05)
Button ($154.95)
SB ($106.25)
BB ($100)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $6.5, Button raises to $18, Hero calls $11.50.

Turn: ($45.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $30, Hero calls $30.

River: ($105.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $60, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $105.50



hand 2: villain is 22/19/2.7 over 32 hands. no reads. i planned on crai on the turn if i hit, but the big bet threw me off. I have 0 FE here but i dont know why villain would bet so big if he made his flush, unless its like 7s6s.

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($129.10)
SB ($75.50)
BB ($74.20)
UTG ($96)
Hero ($115.85)
CO ($145.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) , , (2 players)
Hero bets $6.5, Button raises to $18, Hero calls $11.50.

Turn: ($45.50) (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $37, Hero ???
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Old 04-18-2008, 03:35 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - fold PF, then if you call flop cause you think he might be on a draw then you need to fold when it hits...all your beating now is KQ, ya?

Hand 2 - Shove, he seems more likely to have a set or weaker flush or something
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Old 04-18-2008, 04:38 AM #3 (permalink)  
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1 - Kind of shitty, but I think I just let it go on the flop unless villains been out of line. Turn didn't really change anything, you still lose to sets but are now behind flushes. It seems you can reasonably fold every street here unless villain is a known spew monkey.

2 - Pot is huge just ship it in.
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Hand 1: I usually fold the flop there unless I have cause to think my opponent doesn't suck at poker.

Hand 2: SIIHP.
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hand 1 fold flop without reads, if villain is really good this is a perfect flop to put pressure on your opponenet.

hand 2 ship it in.
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Hand 1: I don't think KJ will be a winner UTG, but w.e.
I would fold flop to the raise as well. As played I think I b/f turn more then c/c. As played river is an easy c/f.

Hand 2: I'm not sure I get you as you have flush and state you have zero FE. Flop could easily be a 4, or set, or someone raising a small overpair...besides some FD's.
Turn I think I b/c more than c/r.
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Hand 1: I don't think KJ will be a winner UTG, but w.e.
I would fold flop to the raise as well. As played I think I b/f turn more then c/c. As played river is an easy c/f.

Hand 2: I'm not sure I get you as you have flush and state you have zero FE. Flop could easily be a 4, or set, or someone raising a small overpair...besides some FD's.
Turn I think I b/c more than c/r.
villains range in hand 2 is like 22-55 and flush draws, with a FD being likely. it seems weird for him to bet so big when the obvious draw hit because if hes doing this with a set he didnt leave himself any room to fold if i shove. eff stacks are still $93 going into the turn, so if he has a set i would expect him to be more like $30 and fold to a push but w/e. i guess in villains shoes I would bet 30 for balance so i could fold my sets and get value out of flushes.
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Hand 1: I don't think KJ will be a winner UTG, but w.e.
I would fold flop to the raise as well. As played I think I b/f turn more then c/c. As played river is an easy c/f.

Hand 2: I'm not sure I get you as you have flush and state you have zero FE. Flop could easily be a 4, or set, or someone raising a small overpair...besides some FD's.
Turn I think I b/c more than c/r.
villains range in hand 2 is like 22-55 and flush draws, with a FD being likely. it seems weird for him to bet so big when the obvious draw hit because if hes doing this with a set he didnt leave himself any room to fold if i shove. eff stacks are still $93 going into the turn, so if he has a set i would expect him to be more like $30 and fold to a push but w/e. I guess in villains shoes I would bet 30 for balance so i could fold my sets and get value out of flushes.
We don't agree about villains flop range. He called you ip, he can have a ton of hands, imo. This flop is great for villain to raise you, with about any hand, therefor I don't think you should narrow his range as much as you did.
I also think a set is more often looking for value on the turn than a b/f. With, imo, at least a decent amount of sets in his range, lower flushes, straights and maybe other crap, combined with stacks left, I think it's a clear shove.
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This guy could easily float a K + a on this board or have a mid PP. As aggro as his PF #'s seem(sample?) he could just be 2 barreling this since you checked turn.
Like minsim said though, I prefer a b/c to c/r here. It balances my range better with overpairs.
As played I shove. C/r might get more value out of an aggro TAG though.
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