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Old 07-25-2009, 02:31 AM     Post subject: 2 similar hands that should be in the **** thread #1 (permalink)  
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Down 9 buys at .50/1 I'm going out of my mind here. Both hands are a little deep.

1) Villain is 40/30/5 over 88 hands, seems to be active with 3betting etc.

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Stacks:
UTG ($158.00)
CO ($149.94)
Hero (BTN) ($125.72)
SB ($130.26)
BB ($101.50)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BTN
UTG raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50, 2 players)
UTG bets $5, $5 to Hero ($122.22)?

2) Villain is 33/9/1.8 over 160 hands

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Stacks:
CO ($51.65)
BTN ($105.60)
Hero (SB) ($146.40)
BB ($334.12)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is SB
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8, 2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB raises to $27, $19 to Hero ($134.40)?
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1 is kind of gay because he opened UTG
if he opened from the CO or BU he'd have hands like JTo and KTo in his range

Board: Jc Ts Kc

Hand 0: 42.104% { KdJd }
Hand 1: 57.896% { KK+, JJ-TT, AQs+, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs, QcTc, JTs, AQo+ }

so it's like kind of gay to play for stacks here because his range vs. a raise is stronger than your hand
I realize he could have more hands, but adding combo draws doesn't make your equity improve that much since they're a coinflip against you anyway
I'd probably call three streets? assuming no T, no A, no Q, no club

hand 2 the guy seems fishy so I would assume we have his raising range crushed because it's just going to be like random hands a lot because he's not looking at flop textures
but to make 3b/get it in profitable we have to look at what he felts

Board: 9d Qh Jd

Hand 0: 50.533% { QcJs }
Hand 1: 49.467% { JJ+, 99, AdKd, AQs, AdTd, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KQs, KTs, Q9s+, J9s, T8s, Td7d, AQo, KQo, KTo, Q9o+, J9o, T8o }

so he has to actually felt AQ on the flop for a 3b to be profitable, which is reasonable
but I think if we call we'll be able to outplay him on later streets
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Old 07-25-2009, 03:53 AM #3 (permalink)  
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First hand the guy definitely definitely has both those hands in his opening range.

Second hand I'm worried that a 0.50/1 probable donk wont raise the flop with draws like Axs?
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you don't have that read over 88 hands, I don't open those hands and I run like 50/48 over 100 hands sometimes
unless you've seen him show down offsuit crap from UTG
I think T8s is a better hand to open than KTo
JTo maybe
but even then, we're not fist pumping to get it in, we're probably behind his stack-off range on the flop or flipping

in hand 2 his range is real wide and I think we should call because he could just be splashing around
I mean regs would only raise big draws and big hands here, but fish will raise complete bluffs because they suck

but I wouldn't really expect him to try to like put a lot of money in on later streets unless he has a big hand so I would try to like soulread him and sometimes make a big laydown on a shitty river or something
and he's obv never folding a straight or bottom set if we draw out

so I think we can just call and hope to outplay him
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:12 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 1). i think you must raise the flop, and against this guy you are going to have to go all in on the flop if he 3bets.

2). call the raise, lead non diamond/K/T/8 turn for 48. i don't think you can fold if he shoves.

on any of the twenty bad turn cards, i'd probably put out a smaller blocker type bet and b/f turn against this player.
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:17 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Reasonable would be to:

hand 1. call flop and most turns but b/f any turn when checked to.

hand 2. 3bet small and call a shove or just 3bet shove.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:49 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 1) call down seems the most profitable

2) pretty horrible spot. 3betting and getting it in seems marginally +ev to very negative ev so I wouldn't do that. I think I would call and bf turn bf river.
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Old 07-28-2009, 03:35 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 bump, what are others doing in hand 2
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Old 07-28-2009, 07:23 AM #9 (permalink)  
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hand 2 - id call down on blanks after his raise.

hand 1 - call down is prob okay. raising and gettign shoved on would be nasty
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 Hand 1 - I'd call down here most of the time

Hand 2 - Against a more aggro opponent I'd 3bet/get it in and not feel too bad about it. Against someone more passive,I guess I'd call OOP and c/c good turn/rivs.. re-eval.
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Old 07-28-2009, 04:57 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - Call and decide on the turn
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