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minSim

11-13-2009, 12:18 PM Post subject: 2 river bluffs

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Villain 33/21/45(AFreq) over 39 hands, no relevant reads.
With the flop raise I just wanted to test villain as he was still unknown but raising enough that I wanted to know something to play back at him.
His range is wide on the flop and I can rep a lot of turn cards.

Do you like a river raise? Imo I rep T9 and maybe some boats, but I'm not confident he folds a J when the FD misses and I'm not sure he even has worse made hands. He can fold a missed FD as well.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($64.95)
Hero (Button) ($76.30)
SB ($26.45)
BB ($26.10)
UTG ($58.70)
MP ($54.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, 6

2 folds, CO bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) J

, 8

, 2

(2 players)
CO bets $1.50, Hero raises to $5, CO calls $3.50

Turn: ($13.75) J

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($13.75) Q

(2 players)
CO bets $5.50

hands 2
Villain 27/24/50 over 120 hands.
I've been active at the table and so has villain I've gotten the best of him in like 2 or 3 pots so my image might not be super clean, but we haven't been to showdown together.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($36.10)
Button ($54.85)
SB ($52.05)
Hero (BB) ($124.85)
UTG ($23.85)
MP ($160.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, Q

4 folds, SB bets $2, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) A

, 6

, 5

(2 players)
SB bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($9) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

River: ($21) 7

(2 players)
SB checks,

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Carroters

11-13-2009, 08:43 PM

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1. I doubt he ever folds a J and I think there are a ton of them in his range. I really don't think you rep much here after checking the turn. I don't see you ever checking the turn with nut hands here when he can have a jack a lot and stack off often. I think T9 is the only thing you're credibly repping

2. Hmm what you think his range is to c/c the turn? If he's pissed with you then he's probably not looking to fold any aces here. I'd probably just give up on the river.

meeloche

11-14-2009, 04:05 AM

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1) You have absolutely no equity here and marginal showdown value. When you decide to bluff on boards like this even having a gut shot or a back door flush draw makes it a much better play. I would not bluff with this specific hand. Oh as played he's snapping you off if you jam the river btw. I'd consider calling before I'd consider raising.

2) Again you don't really have any sort of backdoor draws or equity at all like your not even gonna have the best hand that often when you spike a Q or a 10. So I'd just fold flop.

Seems like a concept that would help you a lot is when you decide to bluff do it with equity. That way your frequency's will be better and you will be able to even make the best hand sometimes which is really helpful.

minSim

11-16-2009, 11:14 AM

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I'm familiar with it meeloche, I'm just being unpatient often. I'll try working on it.

Carroters, in hand 2 after villain turn c/c I'm expecting his hand to be a lot of pairs <Ax and some bad Ax.

For results:
1- I gave up.
2- I bet river for 17,50 and villain folded after tanking, and suggested in chat I had a 6.

But really, if I expect villain to have A2-A4, A7-A9 or something, I need 42% FE if I expect villain to fold anything worse than Ax.
As I bet 45% of the pot, that would be -EV. If I would have bet 15 that would be +EV.

bode

11-16-2009, 12:02 PM

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bode is an unknown quantity at this point

i think it was an ISF article about bluffing with no equity, but i felt like a plugged a big leak when i stopped doing that.

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nutsinho

11-17-2009, 07:21 AM

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w/o reading thread id definitely not bluff 1, his range is really strong and you definitely dont rep shit
in 2 i like a big bet, the 7 killed your perceived bluff range and it is v hard for u to not have trips+ now

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