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09-07-2008, 11:26 PM
Post subject: 2 pair button vs BB (100nl)
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villian is 19.5/15/5.5 over 90 hands, 3bet 8%.
i think calling the flop is best because literally the only hand im behind in his range is QJ. The turn i really wanted to find a fold but felt like he could still be doing this with KJ/KT/JT. idk, i was kind of lost on the turn, and i even wanted to raise the flop until i thought for a sec. comments on flop and turn please.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop | saw showdown
CO ($100)
Hero (Button) ($181.65)
SB ($102.20)
BB ($108.45)
UTG ($143.55)
MP ($96.30)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , 10
3 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, BB calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.50) K, A, 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB raises to $16.50, Hero calls $11
Turn: ($40.50) J (2 players)
BB bets $19.50, Hero calls $19.50
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thizzSantaCruz
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i would probably just fold the turn.
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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one bit of history i forgot from earlier in the session is that i 3barreled 66 on 45J82r when i was SB and villain was BB when the seat between us was empty. He called down and tank called the river w/ JTo.
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Looks g00t.
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whats our plan for the river if calling the turn is ok here, which i still dont know if it is? we cant really call a shove can we?
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wow, i thought this was at least a semi-interesting hand.
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BigLRIP
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Definately not folding the turn, although the J isn't the best card in the world obviously. Usually when villains make a weakish bet like this after check raising i find them to be on the weaker end of the spectrum.
How big is the stat sample size? If he really is 3betting 8% then I cant really see not going with the hand, as there is basically no hand in his cold calling range that beats us.
Lets see river action.
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Originally Posted by BigLRIP
Definately not folding the turn, although the J isn't the best card in the world obviously. Usually when villains make a weakish bet like this after check raising i find them to be on the weaker end of the spectrum.
How big is the stat sample size? If he really is 3betting 8% then I cant really see not going with the hand, as there is basically no hand in his cold calling range that beats us.
Lets see river action.
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the sample is only over 90 hands. And the only hands im really worried about on the turn are KQ/JQ that im behind, but the small be kind of threw me off.
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I shove flop, he's got about the right amount left
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I shove flop, he's got about the right amount left
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shoving the flop is way overkill iyam
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Why is calling the turn good? Honest question. Like KJ is the only hand we beat, very rarely KT given stats. I guess he could have air here but I mean this seems like a really shitty flop to go apeshit on.
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Marshall28
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thsese boards have seemingly become worse and worse to bluff at ... you just get called so light since everybody thinks it's a good bluffing opportunity. i wouldn't be surprised to see villain show up w/ something like AJ tbh. I think you are basically always behind on this turn and that it's definitely a fold.
i also think shoving the flop lets him play perfectly against you.
i would have been calling the flop to induce more action on non-J/Q/K turns, and probably flatting all streets.
back in the day, people used to get it in w/ KQ/KJ/JT/QT/AJ/AQ in this spot, so b/3b was the standard line, but people just dont make the mistake of calling off w/ those hands anymore which is why you basically have to play this more passively.
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call flop and fold the turn!
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call flop, fold turn is def. best here. i spaz leveled myself into a call because it was BU vs BB and villain knew my range was pretty huge OTB. should have folded for sure.
results:
river was a beatiful T and villain shoved the rest of his stack into me. i ran super goot in august.
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