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Old 11-20-2007, 04:06 PM     Post subject: 2 medium pair spots #1 (permalink)  
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First spot)
200NL. Say we hold 77 on the button and call an open raise of $7 from a TAG in the CO. Blinds fold.

Flop($16) comes Q63r, he cbets and we call.
Turn($39): T, putting a FD on the board.
He checks, Hero ???

Do you bet or check here?

If you check, what rivers are you calling a bet on?

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200NL with $210 stacks. We open to $7 OTB with 99. Guy who is not very aggressive and maybe a bit nitty post flop repops to $22 from the SB. We don't really know much about his 3betting frequency. We call.

Flop($46): 258 with 2 spades.
He bets $30, we call.

Turn($105): 2 offsuit.
He checks, do you bet or check? ($158 behind)
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:45 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1:
I check behind because I hate getting c/red and don't expect villain to bluff lots of rivers. I don't expect villain to think he has a lot of FE, so I don't call that much rivers.

I do wonder how good a river raise is when the flush completes and villain bets.

Hand 2:
I check behind and call non A/K rivers. Though I don't really now how good that is.
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 i check behind the turn i hand 1 mostly. Against villains who c-bet too much i will bet here though.

hand 2: against a passive villain i tend to check behind and call a river bet on a blank river (blank being anything but A,K, and Q's). Pushing is good in this spot sometimes too!
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 Hand 1) check. Not really calling any substantial river bet ever unless the river is a 7. Also i'm usually reraising pre.

Hand 2) check behind obv. It's not like he's calling the bet with anything you're beating. I'd also fold to almost all river leads.
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Hand 1) check. Not really calling any substantial river bet ever unless the river is a 7. Also i'm usually reraising pre.

Hand 2) check behind obv. It's not like he's calling the bet with anything you're beating. I'd also fold to almost all river leads.
Tbh I think I raise/call the flop in hand 2 a lot if villain is likely 3-betting a bit lighter than standard and decent aggressive postflop (though yours is not as you described). Any comments on that?

Massimo, would you fold to a turn bet by vilain? If yes, combined with you folding almost all rivers, wouldn't that make it a fold preflop?
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Cool thanks for the posts guys, pretty much confirms what I thought myself.
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