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Genitruc

01-20-2010, 09:28 PM Post subject: 2 hands vs same villain

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I'm in the midst of a 40k downswing where I never ever ever have the best hand and have tried everything from taking breaks, mixing up stakes and games, playing fewer tables, more tables... tables are good and I feel like I'm playing well but I just never ever ever book wins.

Felt like today's session went really well in terms of thinking clearly, taking time with every decision, etc...

2 spots vs the same villain. Only relevant history for hand 1 is that I haven't seen him get out of line and I've floated his flop bet and stole the turn earlier. He seemed taggy and solid in general.

Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Mugge26 ( $356.69 USD )
Seat 2: gobuelle ( $394.10 USD )
Seat 3: Kikyy ( $102.90 USD )
Seat 5: NovitoN ( $543.00 USD )
Seat 6: HERO ( $740.55 USD )
Mugge26 posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
gobuelle posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO

Kikyy folds
NovitoN raises [$12.00 USD]
HERO calls [$12.00 USD]
Mugge26 folds
gobuelle folds
** Dealing Flop **

NovitoN bets [$20.00 USD]
HERO calls [$20.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn **

NovitoN checks
HERO bets [$52.50 USD]
NovitoN raises [$157.00 USD]
HERO calls or shoves?

Is it bad I really want to fold the flop here on hand 2? This happened about 20 minutes after hand 2, nothing weird happened in between...

Table Table TH 3307 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Ready2live ( $863.40 USD )
Seat 2: HERO ( $498.55 USD )
Seat 3: Megger ( $106.70 USD )
Seat 4: NovitoN ( $1168.52 USD )
Seat 5: gobuelle ( $388.00 USD )
Megger posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
NovitoN posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO

gobuelle raises [$14.00 USD]
Ready2live folds
HERO raises [$39.50 USD]
Megger folds
NovitoN calls [$35.50 USD]
gobuelle calls [$25.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop **

NovitoN bets [$60.25 USD]
gobuelle folds
HERO calls [$60.25 USD]
** Dealing Turn **

NovitoN bets [$120.50 USD]
HERO

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

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griffey24

01-20-2010, 09:35 PM

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Hand 1
-I'd call turn and rarely ship. I feel like a ship reps very little, and I can't imagine what his turn c/r /folding range would be.

Hand 2
-I suppose this hand is kinda based on what happened in the previous hand. How often were you 3betting? If you were 3betting a ton his range here could be wider. Otherwise, I feel as though he's repping only QQQ, but that's also what he shows up with the most. I'd probably peel to the river and re-eval given price we're getting.

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Ravageur

01-21-2010, 05:36 AM

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I think i'd ship hand 1 and fold the turn in hand 2. It sucks that the only hand he can have is QQ but he pretty much always has it. It just looks like you're never folding and he's never leading that flop 3 way in a rr pot oop weak...i guess a small amount of the time you guys chop but I'm happy with folding.

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shakesss

01-21-2010, 06:51 AM

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Hand 1 i would flat because of the price we are getting on the call. His c/r range has to be quite strong there. The only way he would c/r as a bluff is if he knows u were floating such a dry flop to raise the turn ip. Its read based i guess. If you were to ship you are really only repping a set or two pairs 108. If he does have a strong hand then ur draw is super disguised so the implied odds would be quite good if u were to spike.

Hand 2 really looks like qqq. On the flop he bets half pot, i think you can maybe raise fold this flop. Make it 150-160 and see how he reacts. If he ships it we can fold, and if he calls maybe we can try and bring it to SD. As played i would probably fold, coz i would call the river if i call on such a blank turn.

minSim

01-21-2010, 07:14 AM

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I'd say call on 1 as well. Is anyone bluffing a blank river when checked to?

Is AA possible in hand 2?
Hmm I don't know, it's only half pot on the flop but I don't think he's ever not betting the turn. So I might say fold is best, although most likely I'd call flop and turn in the heat of the moment.

griffey24

01-21-2010, 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by minSim

t I don't think he's ever not betting the turn.

I think this is relevant. Based on his flop sizing, I also don't think he's ever NOT betting turn. So it seems kinda silly to call flop and fold turn given that his entire flop betting range is betting again.

So I think either fold flop or call turn.

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