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Old 08-14-2007, 12:07 PM     Post subject: 2 hands for the people... #1 (permalink)  
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hand 1:

not worried about the limper. MP is 21/16/0 over 35 hands, BU is 26.5/23.5/5 over 70 hands.

Whats my best play here?

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saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($53.50)
UTG ($42.45)
MP ($51.70)
CO ($28.45)
Button ($47.25)
SB ($29.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
UTG calls $0.50, MP raises to $2.5, 1 fold, Button raises to $8.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $53.5, UTG folds, MP folds, Button calls $38.75 (All-In).

Flop: ($97.75) 5, T, A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($97.75) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($97.75) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $97.75


hand 2:

UTG is 26/12/1 over 65 hands, SB is 265/10/2.5 over 70 hands and ive seen him min-3bet a few times, never after a cold caller though.

general line check, and is there any value in raising this river?

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BB ($48.50)
UTG ($49.10)
Hero ($51.65)
Button ($69.10)
SB ($28.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 9.
UTG raises to $1.5, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $2.5, 1 fold, UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($8) 4, 9, T (3 players)
SB bets $1.5, UTG calls $1.50, Hero raises to $6.5, SB calls $5, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($27.50) 3 (3 players)
SB bets $1.5, UTG calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50.

River: ($32) 7 (3 players)
SB bets $3, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $66
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:36 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 2 is misplayed. You have a $28.5 pot on the turn with lots of equity when the opponent bets $1.50. I push right there. UTG doesn't scare me. He's being too passive.

As played raise the river.
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Old 08-14-2007, 01:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1- you're out of position and holding a good one against 2 people who like to raise. I play the same

2- turn is a push
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 the turn is a push even though one of the villains most likely has a better flush draw? I guess i figure one villain has a better FD, and the other might have a better TP hand. thats whats really confusing me.
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Hand 1 is ok. Could call hoping MP comes along and get it in on lots of flops...probably not this one.

Hand 2 you really got to raise a lot more on the flop, like 12. Turn plays itself then. You could also call the flop.
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I guess i figure one villain has a better FD, and the other might have a better TP hand. thats whats really confusing me.
None of this makes pushing the turn incorrect. You maximize equity against both of these holdings by doing so. Your decision is made easier by both opponents confidence, which appears to be slim, and therefore offering more fold equity.
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 In hand #2 you gotta push that turn. And also, you can't just call a donk's $3 bet here assuming he has the nuts. Look at how he plays throughout the hand. I think more often than not he has a weak pair type hand and is making xpert "blocking" bets.


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hand 1 - button might like to raise but does he like to 3bet?
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What hands is SB going to min-reraise here with? The only flush I worried be worried about is AKs, maybe....maybe KQs, but wtf is 265 vpip supposed to be? 26, 26.5?

I'm pushing the river, you got the card you wanted.
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 its obv 26.5 VPIP.
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 shove turn in hand 2, you want to get it in against a better FD cuz you have a purrrr. OMG just saw PF, nm, he has a big pair and he's pretty much letting you take a free card with that bet. You have to raise the river cuz he's never minraising suited broadway hands there PF.
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OMG just saw PF, nm, he has a big pair and he's pretty much letting you take a free card with that bet. You have to raise the river cuz he's never minraising suited broadway hands there PF.
this was my thinking at the time, that he wouldnt really min-raise w/ a AKs/KQs/KJs type hand and that it was most likely an overpair. His postflop line, however, says he doesnt have an overpair.
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