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Old 08-11-2008, 11:44 AM     Post subject: 2 hands on paired boards input please. #1 (permalink)  
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Eff stacks 88.5, 100nl 6 handed. utg is 23/7/4 and BB is 40/15/7.

Hand #7601805292 begins at 2008/08/11
Dealing down cards
Dealt to hero [Kc Jc]
Scarface0767 posts the small blind of $0.50
Rasho08 posts the big blind of $1
hette1969 calls $1.
Killerbet1 folds.
hero raises to $4.50.
wvu138 folds.
Scarface0767 folds.
Rasho08 calls $3.50.
hette1969 calls $3.50.
Dealing Flop [Th Tc Ac]
Rasho08 bets $6.90.
hette1969 calls $6.90.


Obvious raise? Whats a good size? 20? and what do we do if we get jammed on?



100bb eff villain is 22/17/15


Hand #7602138428 begins at 2008/08/11
Dealing down cards
Dealt to hero [Kc As]
ZZZany posts the small blind of $0.50
DeviLStriKe posts the big blind of $1
TLN-Virgo folds.
hero raises to $3.50.
spigelhigh calls $3.50.
Killerbet1 calls $3.50.
ZZZany folds.
DeviLStriKe folds.
Dealing Flop [Ah Qc Qs]
hero bets $7.
spigelhigh folds.
Killerbet1 raises to $23.
hero calls $16.
Dealing Turn [4c]
hero checks.
Killerbet1 bets $23.



Call and c/f river?
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Old 08-11-2008, 10:17 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i dont like raising the first one because we dont know what to do when they shove.

i like calling the 2nd one because people slowplay too much, and when they dont slowplay they usually dont bet so small on turn
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Old 08-11-2008, 10:25 PM #3 (permalink)  
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In hand 2 are we donking the river or putting him on a bruff?
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:42 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 2 is the kind of situation where I usually go into calldown mode. He's bruffing enough to make it profitable to seek a showdown, but if you spring to life with a donk bet at any point villain will often look at his holdings and make a decision - the outcome of which probably doesn't help you any. That's my feeling anyway.

Hand 1 - calling is marginally good, raising is bad. UTG is just tight enough to make his call potentially worrisome, but it could also mean he's got a worse club draw (oh sweet day if that club comes!) or just an ace - in either case keeping him in the pot is far from awful. No telling what BB has since he's clearly a donk from his stats, but I hate any time somebody leads with a donk into a pre-flop raiser AND a caller on a paired board. That smells of polarized range to me. So I'd say call there and don't give yourself any unnecessary grief. If and when you hit, you can start evaluating their actions across a couple of streets to see how strong they are, and how thin a value raise would be.
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 hand 1 is definitely a call. hand 2 im not so sure about.
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