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Old 05-29-2010, 08:01 PM     Post subject: 2 hands deep 3 bet pots #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is a good reg runs 25/19 over a good sample. (He usually plays 5/10 and 3/6)

3 bets a lot, 10% overall, 4 bets 12%.

These two hands happened in this order 5 minutes apart on 2 different tables. We haven't been playing for more than 10 minutes as he just started his session recently.

We don't really have much history, he'll view me as aggro.

Figured my 5 bet could look pretty fos and I was pretty happy calling it off.

Hows my sizing? What flop line would you usually take c/c b/c or b/f?

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saw flop

Button ($768.15)
SB ($1065.60)
Hero (BB) ($812)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
Button bets $16, 1 fold, Hero raises $44, Button raises $72, Hero raises $127, Button calls $87

Flop: ($352) K, 4, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $100, Button raises $592.35

He cbets 72% double barrels 54% and barrels river 80% of the time he bets turn. So I guess I should be making my decision on the turn but thats not really an ideal river card either.

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MP ($1216)
Hero (CO) ($735.20)
Button ($716.25)
SB ($1320)
BB ($616.20)
UTG ($1473.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J
2 folds, Hero bets $14, 2 folds, BB raises $48, Hero calls $38

Flop: ($106) 9, K, 9 (2 players)
BB bets $88, Hero calls $88

Turn: ($282) J (2 players)
BB bets $160, Hero calls $160

River: ($602) Q (2 players)
BB bets $315.40, Hero?



 
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Old 05-29-2010, 09:48 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1 : I'd 5-bet quite a bit bigger (aren't you giving him perfect odds to call here in pos? Not sure your line looks fos so much as a strong hand without any history between the two). I think you have to call it off now but it's a huge vomitcall.

hand 2 : Nh, fold river.
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Old 05-30-2010, 04:06 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 I was pondering saying the opposite of Rav haha.

Hand 1 - I think I'm torn here. I feel like its definitely possible he has hands like AA/AK here. Certainly stuff like Axss, Kxss or some combo JTss or something. I just don't feel like we're ever in that great shape vs a shove here. A lot of his range would probably feel good about flatting the flop if it had a piece.

Only reason I'm torn is cause of your bet sizing and what kind of inducing it caused.


Hand 2 - is he shoving AA on riv? KQ? I think we have lots of Tx in our range, such that he should be checking quite a bit on this river.
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 think id sigh-fold both. in 1 ur ahead alot ofc but never in great shape

2 is close cause it seems like a lot of his value range for 3betting pre and betting pretty big on this flop would not be happy enough about this runoff to jam river, but it's still sort of hard for you to be good
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 2- you guys prefer a turn call over a jam, given only half pot left on river?
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2- you guys prefer a turn call over a jam, given only half pot left on river?
yah good point, I'd mostly always jam turn. Though I don't think I give ppl enough credit for being capable of bluffing half pot, cause I think it happens more than I expect.
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 Tough hands.

1: I like sizing pre. I think b/f is probably not your best line since you made it pretty cheap pre. I think he is going to spew over a bet more than he will spew over a check so I think b/c would be my preference. I think I even like c/f more than b/f.

2: I'd shove turn. As played I guess fold so you don't tilt when he shows you T8cc.
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