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Da GOAT

11-06-2008, 06:28 PM Post subject: 2 Hands 100nl

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Hand 1: Opp is 29/20. I 3bet him from BB vs BTN in last few orbits, flop came with draws and medium/low cards, i cb and he shoved allin, i folded A high. nothing other apart from that. he also called a 3bet from another player and so he calls 100% based on 2 for 2

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My thoughts are if he had a monster OR big draw he will prob just raise up the flop. when he called me on flop i felt he had an underpair or a pair around 7s and 9s ie 88,TT type stuff. Plus is is prob capable of floating some gutshots this deep.

On turn I was planning to c/r vs this range since he will bet his floats and bet his monsters (which i think are a v small part of his turn betting rrange, right?).

On river when the board paired my hand improves vs underpairs but behind 88 and TT. When he bets river I had to think about why would he now bet a hand he was willing to try just get to showdown. well all underpairs are bad now so a good % of that range may bluff but also is he good enough to VB TT here! probably not since he prob think i fold A high anyway.

Hows my thinking? whats your play.

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Alpim ($88.72)
UTG+1 maxmaximum ($52.82)
CO tsooTSOO ($180.00)
BTN Stina77 ($160.08)
SB Semi-bluff ($126.47)
BB Hero ($170.36)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB

3 folds, Stina77 raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, Stina77 calls $10

Flop:

($28.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $21, Stina77 calls $21

Turn:

($70.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, Stina77 checks

River:

($70.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, Stina77 bets $35, $35 to Hero ($135.36)?

Hand 2: Opp was a 41/10 player. generally weak but is not a big station type.

What range can you put him on when he raises here?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG joaengm ($152.04)
UTG+1 andrewjohns ($125.02)
CO kopitee ($151.74)
BTN MEGASTEAM ($403.16)
SB nysos ($112.23)
BB Hero ($109.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB

1 fold, andrewjohns raises to $2, kopitee calls $2, MEGASTEAM calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1

Flop:

($8.50, 4 players)
Hero checks, andrewjohns checks, kopitee bets $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, andrewjohns folds

Turn:

($24.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $16, kopitee calls $16

River:

($56.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $38, kopitee raises to $76, $38 to Hero ($45)?

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BigLRIP

11-06-2008, 06:57 PM

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1 - this is pretty close I think, but I would fold. He can have a flush, and his bet sizing doesn't really scream bluff to me.

2 - easy fold imo, I don't know if I bet river either

al yell

11-06-2008, 07:07 PM

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1- ez fold
2 - i'd c/c turn to keep the pot small and then prob c/c anything up to 1/2 pot bet on river.

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ChrisBCritter

11-06-2008, 07:15 PM

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Hand 1 Good bet by villian there. He's relatively LAGG but playing passive here? River bet looks like it's for value with a slowplayed 7, but I don't think he checks behind on turn with that. Considering the dynamic, it also really looks like a steal. This is a WA/WB situation, and I like variance against these types, so I call.

Hand 2 Meh preflop, probably should fold flop though, don't think your pot-odds are there. Turn bet should be larger $20 at least. Would villian raise river with a 6? Or a worse flush? very doubtful imo. A large portion of his range is the Naked A

imo. Your Blocking bet didn't block anything... Fold.

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zook

11-06-2008, 07:24 PM

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1. If your read is decent, that he'll raise draws on the flop, then I like a river call. Mostly likely hands a 29/20 is limp/calling from the CO are low pp's. Maybe some low sc's or offsuit connectors. Without reads I would fold b/c I think a low flush is in his range but I bet you see 22-66 a fair amount too.

2. I'd rather donk this flop than c/c. Bet turn harder. I bet river smaller like $30. Almost impossible that he's mr'ing with worse imo so fold. Not sure if I could do it tho.

will641

11-06-2008, 07:31 PM

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hand 1 - i dont like your 3-bet, or c-bet. i just dont expect people to fold pairs there like ever, esp this guy. also try to shy away from just random bluffs like this. also fold river.

hand 2- fine up to river. fold and its not close. im not even betting here. yeah, you have the 3rd nut flush, but you also have another spade he could conceivably call you with here, and hes certainly never bluffing.

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Da GOAT

11-06-2008, 08:47 PM

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ok hand 2- i was sure that i made an error by betting river. i folded that one.

hand 1 - i dont mind my cb bcoz i felt i knew what he wud do with each part of his range, shove draws, fold air, call marginals. im willing to pay to get him off marginal ie i wanted to c/bomb turn. on river i think his betting range got wider since showdown hands are counterfeited,right?

Also on opp bet sizing, he rly doesnt need to bet much rly since he is trying to get me off A high right

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11-06-2008, 09:31 PM

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1- i make it 19 or 20 on flop and barrel this turn very often, followed by a river shove a decent % of the time. As played im not a fan of calling river

2-i like how u played it, hard to say if you should call or not with info given, but std is to fold.

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Da GOAT

11-06-2008, 09:59 PM

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ok so maybe theres not much discussion on hand 1 left, seems most say fold but calling is v close.

Well i called and he had 55

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AnTman_69

11-07-2008, 01:53 AM

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Quote:

2 - i'd c/c turn to keep the pot small and then prob c/c anything up to 1/2 pot bet on river.

not sure why we'd wanna keep the pot small here? sounds pretty sily. If ur keeping ur big hand pots small...then this is a big leak.

griffey24

11-07-2008, 04:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AnTman_69

Quote:

2 - i'd c/c turn to keep the pot small and then prob c/c anything up to 1/2 pot bet on river.

not sure why we'd wanna keep the pot small here? sounds pretty sily. If ur keeping ur big hand pots small...then this is a big leak.

I think he musta misread the hand

Hand 1 - I'm pretty tempted to call here, cause I really can't see what hand would play this way that will be value betting. It kinda sucks if he's capable of value betting T8 or a flush though. I probably stubbornly call, and hope he's betting some low pair that got counterfeited, or like 56/68

Hand 2 - Once you c/c flop I play it the same, though we have so much equity on this flop that I'm c/r very often. As played, gotta b/f river.

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11-08-2008, 12:55 AM

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hand 1: i think its really close so flip a coin, id probably lean towards fold though.

hand 2: fold, id also bet less on river

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11-08-2008, 03:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

hand 1: i think its really close so flip a coin, id probably lean towards fold though.

hand 2: fold, id also bet less on river

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