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Renton

12-12-2006, 03:42 AM Post subject: 2 AQ hands. Where am I supposed to fold?

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1. Villain is unknown. I just sat an orbit or two ago and he's opened a lot of pots.

Sorry Fnord and UG, i didn't get a chance to ask him his social, zipcode, and date of birth prior to the hand.

POKERSTARS GAME #7405229005: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/11 - 22:42:54 (ET)
Table 'Thusnelda' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: judonns ($41.90 in chips)
Seat 2: rdm37rd ($50.45 in chips)
Seat 3: VixxWater ($91.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Renton555 ($106.15 in chips)
Seat 5: hammer215 ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 6: spaceMe ($100 in chips)
VixxWater: posts small blind $0.50
Renton555: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Ac Qs]

hammer215: folds
spaceMe: folds
judonns: calls $1
rdm37rd: folds
VixxWater: calls $0.50
Renton555: raises $4 to $5
judonns: folds
VixxWater: calls $4

*** FLOP *** [7h Qc 5h]

VixxWater: checks
Renton555: bets $7
VixxWater: raises $9 to $16
Renton555: calls $9

*** TURN *** [7h Qc 5h] [6s]

VixxWater: bets $32
Renton555: calls $32

*** RIVER *** [7h Qc 5h 6s] [3c]

VixxWater: bets $38.50 and is all-in
Renton555: ?????????????

2. Villain has been tight for a small sample. He c/r me on a dry K high flop like 3 hand prior and i folded.

POKERSTARS GAME #7405414878: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/11 - 22:54:13 (ET)
Table 'Hilda II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: may64 ($98.55 in chips)
Seat 2: HijackTheBox ($114.15 in chips)
Seat 3: CompuRog ($19.05 in chips)
Seat 4: tommyd7878 ($95.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Renton555 ($250.65 in chips)
Seat 6: lhartman ($147.05 in chips)
CompuRog: posts small blind $0.50
tommyd7878: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Qd As]

Renton555: raises $3 to $4
lhartman: folds
may64: calls $4
HijackTheBox: folds
CompuRog: folds
tommyd7878: folds

*** FLOP *** [Qh 7s 6d]

Renton555: bets $7
may64: calls $7

*** TURN *** [Qh 7s 6d] [Th]

Renton555: checks
may64: bets $18
Renton555: calls $18

*** RIVER *** [Qh 7s 6d Th] [Kd]

Renton555: checks
may64: bets $34
Renton555: ???????

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IowaSkinsFan

12-12-2006, 03:49 AM

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Hand 1: I need his rising sign plz.
Hand 2: I fold the river.

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drmcboy

12-12-2006, 03:50 AM

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time for a break. Ease up on yourself and the people who are trying to help.

nutsinho

12-12-2006, 03:56 AM

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Hand 1 if u dont fold turn dont fold river either. folding turn is probably best but its close
Hand 2 river is a definite fold

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12-12-2006, 04:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nutsinho

Hand 1 if u dont fold turn dont fold river either. folding turn is probably best but its close
Hand 2 river is a definite fold

^^^^ I fold when I get that sick feeling. I get it in both of these spots, although I probably talk myself out of it in hand 1.

Renton

12-12-2006, 04:15 AM

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yea i definitely felt like #1 was impossible to get away from

calling #2 down was bad bad bad though

euphoricism

12-12-2006, 04:20 AM

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Knowing the potsize on each street would be helpful, and I dont feel like doing math when reviewing.

Can I convince you to start converting hands?

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Renton

12-12-2006, 04:23 AM

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Knowing the potsize on each street would be helpful, and I dont feel like doing math when reviewing.

Can I convince you to start converting hands?

No, you really really can't.

I post hands while playing generally, and when the converter fucks up all ins i go on tilt and lose two stacks. DO U WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT OUTCOME?

euphoricism

12-12-2006, 07:59 AM

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Paste them into notepad, then convert them all at once at the end of your session.

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Genitruc

12-12-2006, 08:26 AM

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Genitruc is an unknown quantity at this point

imo both hands don t really matter that much (i.e. frequency you're beat relative to pot odds = neatral ev)

hand 1 can't fold to brick on river if you call turn

hand 2 your hand is underrepresented so tough to fold

In general, I suggest you start mixing in some flop checks when you flop tptk or medium overpair (i.e. QQ on 10-high board). Maybe at nl100 opponents are too donkish to notice but this will earn you free cards in later hands and keep your 1-pair hand WA/WB pots small for now.

EDIT : I just remembered a hand where you suggested I lead the turn and fold to a raise w 1010 on an 8 high board. I think that would be a very good line to take in hand 2.

when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?

cardsman1992

12-12-2006, 12:56 PM

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I have been playing badly too, so feel free to rip this:

Hand 1 I would three bet flop and fold to a push.

Hand two I think I could find a fold on the river to QK/89.

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12-12-2006, 01:06 PM

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Hand 1: I fold turn, but I would probably fold flop against Vixxwater. He gets real aggressive when he plays postflop. I think he has a str8/2pair here. I think its better to find a better spot with him than TPTK if hes firing back at you.

Hand 2: I think he floated your flop bet with AK/AJ, he tried to take it down on the turn when you checked, and then hit the river.

Miffed22001

12-12-2006, 01:53 PM

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stack off in 1 on turn. Board demands it i think. Probably ~ev depending on if opp will 2 barrel a worse hand/draw oop.

hand 2, make a blocking bet and fold to a raise. Maybe even just c/f considering you beat nothing but QJ and a missed 54.

IowaSkinsFan

12-12-2006, 03:22 PM

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I really think on Hand 1 his Rising sign would make a big difference.

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12-12-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I really think on Hand 1 his Rising sign would make a big difference.

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12-12-2006, 04:42 PM

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This is from someone who can't handle $100NL, but: hand one looks like THE clearest way-behind hand it's possible to get. The reason people think it's unfoldable is because the villain gets his bets right throughout. Good game to him; I like cardsman's 3-bet flop/fold to push option myself, but calling the turn and river just seems like madness.

Hand 2 I would find easier to call, but not much easier. He's repping KQ, it looks like KQ, he's probably got KQ, maybe AK. I'm folding this without knowing his rising sign.

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