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griffey24
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02-22-2009, 09:11 PM
Post subject: 2/5 deep - warning - potential straight flush folded inside
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Straight Flush
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-villain in this hand is nothing too special, just a standard taggish type player who I've played with a few times before but he's not a regular
-we haven't had that many hands together, but he runs 23/18/3.08
-river is a mandatory c/r obviously, but I'm not sure on how nitty I'm being pondering a river fold here
$2/$5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($551.00)
CO ($967.85)
BTN ($500.00)
Hero (SB) ($1089.60)
BB ($781.91)
Pre-flop: ($7, 5 players) Hero is SB  
1 fold, CO raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero calls $13, 1 fold
Flop:    ($35, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks
Turn:  ($35, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $25, Hero calls $25
River:  ($85, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $70, Hero raises to $225, CO raises to $927.85, Hero to call $700...
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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zook
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ummmmmm, lol?
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yourfather
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Full House
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Nit.
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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lol ok but lets be serious for a second
-QQ,JJ,TT all bet the flop. So he rarely has these hands by the river, so he rarely has a boat on the river except for 9T or J9. Both of which might also bet flop sometimes
-He's rarely shoving Ah here, not just because there are two obvious straight flushes out but also because the board is paired
So.. he rarely has a boat... and he rarely shoves Ah... maybe I'm just losing it?...
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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zook
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The more I look at this the more I think it might be a fold  I don't think Ah's are shoving this river for value and I doubt many flopped sets are checking back this flop, leaving T9/J9/Q9/99 that might be shoving this river for value.
edit: you beat me to it, and I feel you
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yourfather
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I don't play this high and it sure does look like Kh but I cant fold a straight flush. I mean the chances that he misread the board and doesn't realize 4 card sf draw is there and is shoving a boat or Ah is enough to make this a call for me and then curse the gods when he indeed has the King. Or he could think your spazzing with Ah and he has a boat IDK. That's how I justify my bad calls prob  .
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Da GOAT
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fuck a duck
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Galapogos
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4-of-a-Kind
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Don't you think he bets the Kh on the flop?
Edit: Unless he flopped the royal?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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thread delivers
b\c river instead for sanity value
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bigspenda73
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he has a royal
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Miffed22001
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No BBJ for you!!!
serious reply:
why c/r the river, why no b/c line?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
No BBJ for you!!!
serious reply:
why c/r the river, why no b/c line?
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Yaah I think at the time I thought more hands would value bet and then call, than would raise a lead on the river.
I think Ah might sometimes b/c, but definitely not raise a lead often I don't think.
I think boats will b/c and also probably raise leads reasonably often.
So it's pretty close. If he's ever bluffing this river, then c/r is better obviously. If not, then its probably close.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Irisheyes
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Is there a BBJ?
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BigPapi
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for BBJ you have to use both hole cards
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Fnord
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T9 and 99 seem to fit if he misread the board.
Why not just bet/call the river for value? Sucks to put in so much money on the river deep without the nuts.
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Luke999
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I'd fold.
Be super cool if he bluffed it.
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griffey24
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Well I still think c/r river is better than leading the river, just because there are sooo few hands that I can imagine leading this river, after the flop and turn played out this way.
I'll have to think about it more, as to which is better. I just think his b/c range is wider than his river raising range, with worse hands than mine.
And let's get real, I didn't fold this river! LDO But I tanked, and if I had timebank on my site, I think I would have thought about it more and folded. But alas... time crunch.. must call with straight flush. KsKh ftw.... obviously.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Fnord
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[x] Skylansky thinks you're a sucker
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Good job this is a fold
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