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Old 05-25-2010, 04:04 PM     Post subject: 2/4: weird spot in 3bet pot #1 (permalink)  
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 150BB deep against MP. MP is a TAG reg, SB is a LAG reg. Neither is very good and both of them are spewy. My image is bad and my 3bet is at around 13%.

I hate folding, hate calling, hate raising. Can I just put a bullet in my head?

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Hero (Button) ($597.70)
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BB ($405.40)
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Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 6
1 fold, MP bets $14, Hero raises $48, SB calls $46, 1 fold, MP calls $34

Flop: ($148) 2, 3, J (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($148) 4 (3 players)
SB bets $70, MP raises $178, Hero goes wtf???
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Old 05-25-2010, 05:28 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I think call turn, and eval on river but call on most. I'm more afraid of SB than MP but I still don't feel like we can fold here. I don't love 3betting 65o given your image but I guess I can't really complain.
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 I guess it depends what level these guys are on.

I think its safe to say that SB can be VERY wide here. We checked back flop so we're weak and its also very unlikely that we'd have a flush (given our flop check).

So SB can be trying to steal, and MP can recognize this and raise light here, being fairly certain that we don't have a flush behind him.

I would cold call this and re-eval river. I'd fold if SB came back over the top.
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Old 05-25-2010, 08:54 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Cold calling the raise looks super strong. Can we really call blank river if we flat?
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Cold calling the raise looks super strong. Can we really call blank river if we flat?
so you would call AsKx and bluff riv if checked to then? i would be feeling pretty damn good about my hand here and i think its absurd not to, mp doesnt need that much of a hand to be getting it in $333 deep vs sb and is likely raising to keep you from drawing for cheap with the aforementioned hand type since u have that so often, and SB almost never has a flush after hoodflatting 1/7 of his stack oop preflop.
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so you would call AsKx and bluff riv if checked to then? i would be feeling pretty damn good about my hand here and i think its absurd not to, mp doesnt need that much of a hand to be getting it in $333 deep vs sb and is likely raising to keep you from drawing for cheap with the aforementioned hand type since u have that so often, and SB almost never has a flush after hoodflatting 1/7 of his stack oop preflop.
I love my hand! Just don't love my options. I wouldn't flat AsKx here ever.

If I overcall then SB is not going to bet river unless he has me beat, so on the river I will have little love for my hand if a spade falls, if the board pairs, or if I face a shove from MP.

I guess I'm trying to justify that I shoved. Felt pretty dirty about it so I had to post and face the heat
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