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Old 03-13-2010, 12:08 AM     Post subject: 2/4: two rivers I want to call. #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain in both hands is 25/22/4 laggy reg with 9% 3bet and 25% wtsd, 28% w$sd over small sample (450 hands).

Should I just fold these or would it be better to flip a coin?

Hand 1:

SB ($412.50)
BB ($422.60)
UTG ($682.70)
MP ($649.70)
Hero (CO) ($412.30)
Button ($406)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, K
2 folds, Hero bets $14, 2 folds, BB calls $10

Flop: ($30) K, 7, 6 (2 players)
BB bets $22, Hero calls $22

Turn: ($74) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $52, Hero calls $52

River: ($178) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $119...



Hand 2: This one was only a few minutes after the first hand (in which I folded). Is turn c/c a bad line?

CO ($400)
Button ($477.50)
SB ($146)
BB ($163.70)
UTG ($402.10)
Hero (MP) ($808)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 9
1 fold, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14, 3 folds

Flop: ($34) 8, 10, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24

Turn: ($82) 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $69, Hero calls $69

River: ($220) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $185...
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Old 03-13-2010, 11:26 AM #2 (permalink)  
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My initial reaction is call hand 1, fold hand 2. I mentioned this in another thread but again in hand 2 we have a situation where all the draws missed and you have taken a showdown line and he's betting big. I just feel like ppl expect us to call in these spots (probably because I do way way too much). Obviously it turns into a levelling game, but we just have to default to lvl 1 without history.
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Old 03-13-2010, 11:39 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Sorry, my impression of villain is that he is good or at least decent. Also I tanked almost my whole bank before I folded nr1. Did you notice that 89s/T9s got some SD value and 45s got there?
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 Hand 1
-Given his sizing I would call this river, as I think he's likely to bet a bit bigger with Ak/AA/sets and it's possible a lagg is value towning himself here with KJ/KT

Hand 2
-I think turn c/c is fine sometimes. I'm not sure he's going to bluff the river so c/f is probably fine on river.
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Old 03-13-2010, 05:40 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 I folded the second one also, then this hand occured soon after the ones posted, which made me think I probably should have called nr2.


CO ($486.20)
Button ($468)
SB ($423.10)
BB ($400)
UTG ($422)
Hero (MP) ($614.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $14, CO calls $14, 3 folds

Flop: ($34) 3, 2, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $24, CO calls $24

Turn: ($82) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $68, CO calls $68

River: ($218) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $172, CO calls $172

Total pot: $562 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero had A, Q (one pair, Queens).
CO had A, K (high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $559
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wow that is a strong call by him. As for hand 1 folding definitely can't be a huge mistake as I think we see stuff like 67 etc but maybe also KJ/K10 that is trying to value 10s/jj/qq? His betsize just doesn't strike me as too too strong so i wouldn't be too worried about straights.
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