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Deanglow
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01-06-2008, 05:16 AM
Post subject: 2/4 trouble tough spot on drawy board vs squeeze
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Villain has been quiet, don't know how he got his stack. I just sat down, stacked two donks with the goods, so nothing out of line.Obvious first caller is weak/tight. I can't really identify anyone who limps button in 2/4 6-max as anything but weak/tight, so the raise is definitely scary. Most interested in flop line. Note stacks.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($602.60)
Hero ($719.85)
BB ($240)
UTG ($305.25)
MP ($100)
CO ($260.30)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 , 9. MP posts a blind of $4.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, 1 fold, Button calls $4, Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($16) 6 , 9, 7 (4 players)
Hero bets $12, BB folds, MP calls $12, Button raises to $48, Hero calls $36, MP folds.
Turn: ($124) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $75, Hero
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UG
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I make it about $120 on the flop or so, see how freaky this guy wants to get......on turn it sucks but I probably fold. Yes I'm a nit.
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benny999
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raise pf unless button or bb is tough. i'd play same post flop and call turn, planning to c/f non boat rivers...actually prob lead/fold 1/3 pot on the river maybe bluff close to pot on a diamond.
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Deanglow
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by benny999
raise pf unless button or bb is tough. i'd play same post flop and call turn, planning to c/f non boat rivers...actually prob lead/fold 1/3 pot on the river maybe bluff close to pot on a diamond.
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Why would I raise preflop? I think I would do the opposite of everything in this post.
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sauce123
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i fold flop without too much thought
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Ash256
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by sauce123
i fold flop without too much thought
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You're saying that draws and other stuff we beat wouldn't raise in a limped pot; and that this would be a bad spot for villain to (semi)bluff raise as most of a range that puts money in on the flop calls a raise... amirite?
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sauce123
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idk do a range
id include the fact that weak-tight players dont usually raise their draws that often into 2 ppl
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Deanglow
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I never really considered raising the flop bet, and contemplated for a long time whether to call or fold. Looking back I think fold>call>>>>>raise here
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benny999
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forget what i said about betting the river, i would just c/f it.
i'd call flop and turn because i think top pair is a big chunk of their range.
you have 9 and 6 which makes 77 the only likely set, and i don't think someone limping behind the poster is even capable of raising a draw on the flop when they're getting good odds. again, the small turn bet looks like top pair. i don't expect thin value on the river, so i c/f.
and pf, i think calling is likely +ev, but raising is a ton more ev. look at the action ahead of you...two random hands, and someone limping behind two random hands...you'll get it pf or with a c- bet hu or hit two pair way this way, and imo that's more valuable than limping and looking just for hitting a hand.
another thing is u often just hit top pair or a weakish draw and are oop with no info.
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benny999
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actually the size of his raise looks stronger than top pair. folding then might be better, but if i call flop i would call the smallish turn bet.
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Deanglow
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Seeing cheap flops with these opponents and hoping to hit a big hand with your suited connector is much better than stealing out of position with them.
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IowaSkinsFan
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fold flop no question
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benny999
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Deanglow
Seeing cheap flops with these opponents and hoping to hit a big hand with your suited connector is much better than stealing out of position with them.
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you're too optimistic imo. most bad players know not to pay off with tpwk now.
just like 4bb on top and you get folds maybe 2/3 of the time, which is awesome metagame, and makes for better decisions post flop. also position is not as much of an issue vs loose passives.
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