2/4: strange squeeze spot

**pocketfours** · 03-13-2010 05:11 PM

Villain is L. Chan female FTP red pro. First we play this hand:

UTG ($400)
MP ($406)
Button ($400)
SB ($454.50)
Hero (BB) ($400)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, J

2 folds, Button bets $8, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $40, 1 fold, SB calls $32

Flop: ($88) J

, 9

, A

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($88) 8

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($88) 9

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $88 | Rake: $3
Results:
SB had 5

, 5

(two pair, nines and fives).
Hero had Q

, J

(two pair, Jacks and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $85

I can't believe she called pre with 55 but whatever. Now the very next orbit she TANKS HER ENTIRE TIMEBANK before flatting the BU open! WTF??

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($406)
MP ($400)
CO ($419.50)
Button ($402)
SB ($410.50)
Hero (BB) ($449)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, 2

3 folds, Button bets $8, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $40, 1 fold, SB calls $32

Flop: ($88) 5

, 3

, 8

(2 players)
SB bets $32, Hero raises to $72...

Spew?

**XTR1000** · 03-13-2010 06:15 PM

Id rather had some sort of equity, but with #1 telling her you like 3betting and taking medium strong hands rather cheaply to SD I doubt she´s bet/folding a lot here anyway.

**zook** · 03-13-2010 07:40 PM

She's lolbad. Hand 2 is spew on both streets.

**Dex** · 03-13-2010 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by zook

She's lolbad. Hand 2 is spew on both streets.

Yeah. Do you think she's getting fed up with your squeezing? Cuz it seems like she's just going to keep calling until she thinks she can take a pot off you, and if she led at this board I'd rather have more equity because I doubt she's folding often now.

If she did fold it's hilarious.

**griffey24** · 03-13-2010 08:45 PM

I think it's pretty clear from hand 1 that villain isn't the type that will fold to any squeeze, so I'd rather squeeze again with a hand that can at least flop well (connected or suited or something)

**pocketfours** · 03-14-2010 07:20 AM

If she thinks I'm light then why would she lead? Why does she tank pre? Hand 1 was my first hand at the table, although I remember playing with her once or twice before.

**tstrout** · 03-15-2010 09:17 PM

What kind of maniac are you? It's one thing to exploit weakness, it's another to just be stupid. Perhaps, that is how to exploit you? Your style is incredibly exploitable by just playing straightforward TAG poker. If I raise in a game with you and get reraised big on a 3-bet, I'm just going to check and call you and let you donk off your entire stack. It sounds like you are very easy to trap. I'm sorry to be insulting, but where's your patience at the table? Just fold your 10-2o and wait for the next hand. Even Doyle Brunson says that although he won two tourneys playing 10-2 on the final hand, that hand has cost him way more than those victories because of his superstition with it.

**pocketfours** · 03-15-2010 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by tstrout

What kind of maniac are you? It's one thing to exploit weakness, it's another to just be stupid. Perhaps, that is how to exploit you? Your style is incredibly exploitable by just playing straightforward TAG poker. If I raise in a game with you and get reraised big on a 3-bet, I'm just going to check and call you and let you donk off your entire stack. It sounds like you are very easy to trap. I'm sorry to be insulting, but where's your patience at the table? Just fold your 10-2o and wait for the next hand. Even Doyle Brunson says that although he won two tourneys playing 10-2 on the final hand, that hand has cost him way more than those victories because of his superstition with it.

This you Lynette? If my play has offended you in any way then I apologize. I still have to argue that I played this hand a lot better than you did.

**Dex** · 03-15-2010 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by pocketfours

If she thinks I'm light then why would she lead? Why does she tank pre? Hand 1 was my first hand at the table, although I remember playing with her once or twice before.

There's thinking you are light and will put more money in before folding, and there's thinking you are light and likely to give up vs immediate action. The latter sounds more likely from a not very good player or someone not thinking much.

As for the tank pre, it doesn't make sense with a weak hand or a strong hand, so your guess is as good as any.

**Micro2Macro** · 03-16-2010 01:04 AM

lol red pros

she's probably just leading because she has a hand and wants to get value. clearly she isn't thinking on much of a level at all other than what she has.

**pocketfours** · 03-16-2010 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

lol red pros

she's probably just leading because she has a hand and wants to get value. clearly she isn't thinking on much of a level at all other than what she has.

She's a 1.3 PTBB/100 winner at 2/4 (120k sample) and 2.41 PTBB/100 winner at 1/2 (220k sample). She plays 26/20/2.5 with 10% 3bet (small sample). She is a perfectly decent thinking player.

I think she is leading this flop because it's the only way she can win. She isn't the type to b/3b her draws here and she isn't a station either.

03-13-2010 05:11 PM #1
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	2/4: strange squeeze spot Villain is L. Chan female FTP red pro. First we play this hand: UTG ($400) MP ($406) Button ($400) SB ($454.50) Hero (BB) ($400) Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, J 2 folds, Button bets $8, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $40, 1 fold, SB calls $32 Flop: ($88) J, 9, A (2 players) SB checks, Hero checks Turn: ($88) 8 (2 players) SB checks, Hero checks River: ($88) 9 (2 players) SB checks, Hero checks Total pot: $88 \| Rake: $3 Results: SB had 5, 5 (two pair, nines and fives). Hero had Q, J (two pair, Jacks and nines). Outcome: Hero won $85 I can't believe she called pre with 55 but whatever. Now the very next orbit she TANKS HER ENTIRE TIMEBANK before flatting the BU open! WTF?? Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com UTG ($406) MP ($400) CO ($419.50) Button ($402) SB ($410.50) Hero (BB) ($449) Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 2 3 folds, Button bets $8, SB calls $6, Hero raises to $40, 1 fold, SB calls $32 Flop: ($88) 5, 3, 8 (2 players) SB bets $32, Hero raises to $72... Spew?

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03-13-2010 06:15 PM #2
XTR1000 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2006 Posts 3,549 Location surfing in a room	Id rather had some sort of equity, but with #1 telling her you like 3betting and taking medium strong hands rather cheaply to SD I doubt she´s bet/folding a lot here anyway.
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03-13-2010 07:40 PM #3
zook View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 5,034	She's lolbad. Hand 2 is spew on both streets.

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03-13-2010 08:17 PM #4
Dex View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2009 Posts 179 Location Bringing the mind home.	Originally Posted by zook She's lolbad. Hand 2 is spew on both streets. Yeah. Do you think she's getting fed up with your squeezing? Cuz it seems like she's just going to keep calling until she thinks she can take a pot off you, and if she led at this board I'd rather have more equity because I doubt she's folding often now. If she did fold it's hilarious.

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03-13-2010 08:45 PM #5
griffey24 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2006 Posts 4,942 Location Toronto'ish	I think it's pretty clear from hand 1 that villain isn't the type that will fold to any squeeze, so I'd rather squeeze again with a hand that can at least flop well (connected or suited or something)
	Originally Posted by Jay-Z I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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03-14-2010 07:20 AM #6
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	If she thinks I'm light then why would she lead? Why does she tank pre? Hand 1 was my first hand at the table, although I remember playing with her once or twice before.

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03-15-2010 09:17 PM #7
tstrout View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Feb 2010 Posts 68	What kind of maniac are you? It's one thing to exploit weakness, it's another to just be stupid. Perhaps, that is how to exploit you? Your style is incredibly exploitable by just playing straightforward TAG poker. If I raise in a game with you and get reraised big on a 3-bet, I'm just going to check and call you and let you donk off your entire stack. It sounds like you are very easy to trap. I'm sorry to be insulting, but where's your patience at the table? Just fold your 10-2o and wait for the next hand. Even Doyle Brunson says that although he won two tourneys playing 10-2 on the final hand, that hand has cost him way more than those victories because of his superstition with it.

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03-15-2010 10:08 PM #8
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Originally Posted by tstrout What kind of maniac are you? It's one thing to exploit weakness, it's another to just be stupid. Perhaps, that is how to exploit you? Your style is incredibly exploitable by just playing straightforward TAG poker. If I raise in a game with you and get reraised big on a 3-bet, I'm just going to check and call you and let you donk off your entire stack. It sounds like you are very easy to trap. I'm sorry to be insulting, but where's your patience at the table? Just fold your 10-2o and wait for the next hand. Even Doyle Brunson says that although he won two tourneys playing 10-2 on the final hand, that hand has cost him way more than those victories because of his superstition with it. This you Lynette? If my play has offended you in any way then I apologize. I still have to argue that I played this hand a lot better than you did.

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03-15-2010 11:14 PM #9
Dex View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2009 Posts 179 Location Bringing the mind home.	Originally Posted by pocketfours If she thinks I'm light then why would she lead? Why does she tank pre? Hand 1 was my first hand at the table, although I remember playing with her once or twice before. There's thinking you are light and will put more money in before folding, and there's thinking you are light and likely to give up vs immediate action. The latter sounds more likely from a not very good player or someone not thinking much. As for the tank pre, it doesn't make sense with a weak hand or a strong hand, so your guess is as good as any.

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03-16-2010 01:04 AM #10
Micro2Macro View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2009 Posts 5,038 Location No structure	lol red pros she's probably just leading because she has a hand and wants to get value. clearly she isn't thinking on much of a level at all other than what she has.

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03-16-2010 08:21 AM #11
pocketfours View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 2,570 Location Lighting sweet moneys on fire.	Originally Posted by Micro2Macro lol red pros she's probably just leading because she has a hand and wants to get value. clearly she isn't thinking on much of a level at all other than what she has. She's a 1.3 PTBB/100 winner at 2/4 (120k sample) and 2.41 PTBB/100 winner at 1/2 (220k sample). She plays 26/20/2.5 with 10% 3bet (small sample). She is a perfectly decent thinking player. I think she is leading this flop because it's the only way she can win. She isn't the type to b/3b her draws here and she isn't a station either.

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