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pocketfours
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07-02-2009, 07:55 AM
Post subject: 2/4: strange line river bluff
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Villain is 21/16 reg. I think he wasn't expecting to see a raise and I don't think his bet was meant to induce anything. Anyone like a call instead? This river actually hits my range somewhat nicely (AT/JJ/T9). I don't think he expects me to bluff the river after checking behind turn. Kind of a level spot.
I'm such a monkey sometimes, and why did I even open this crap UTG lol? It was a really weak table fwiw.
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CO ($496.10)
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SB ($468.25)
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Hero (UTG) ($640.30)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3 , 5
Hero bets $14, 3 folds, SB calls $12, 1 fold
Flop: ($32) 3 , 4 , Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $22, SB calls $22
Turn: ($76) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
River: ($76) J (2 players)
SB bets $28, Hero raises to $145
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I don't like a call, he could be value betting Jx
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Parasurama
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Already saw results before you edited so not going to say anything but honestly I feel like this is one of those you know your opponent/table/dynamic so we don't so we can't really offer much constructive or appropriate.
EDIT: Also why would you call? You can beat only a pure bluff while raising gets him to fold his pure bluffs while also folding some better hands that beat you with the added bonus of you not having to showdown, what am I missing?
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
Also why would you call?
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The flop was drawy, the odds are great and most importantly, we have got ourselves a pair.
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So basically you're saying this was purely a brag post
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pocketfours
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
So basically you're saying this was purely a brag post
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Why? I didn't call did I?
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Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post.
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I'd almost like this more if he bet like 45ish. My concern now is that he levels himself into a call cause he bet so small.
Though I kinda like this really. Seems like a decent board and the cards came out such that his value range might be reasonably narrow, and you can rep a decent amount of legit hands.
It's decent cause I also doubt he bets so small with QJ or KQ.
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Anything he's calling with he would have VB bigger
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I'd raise smaller but yeah this seems fine. I wish he bet bigger though he may convince himself to call now.
Obv fold pre though
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post.
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Sorry for posting then.
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I usually like these raises. Small bets are usually what they rep, which is not very strong. The problem is i have no idea what to put him on given preflop (how does he one pair that he's v-betting?).
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post.
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Posts like this are why nutsinho left
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
Well you played a shitty hand UTG, bluffed a scary board, totally owning your opponent, and like I said I don't think there can be a serious constructive discussion about this hand (I'll admit I could be wrong about this). All of that = brag post.
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Posts like this are why nutsinho left |
this.
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Parasurama
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
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Originally Posted by Parasurama
Also why would you call?
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The flop was drawy, the odds are great and most importantly, we have got ourselves a pair. |
Alright I'll admit I overreacted/misunderstood but this response tilted me and just really made me feel like this question wasn't serious at all.
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meeloche
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You can have A10 of hearts or JJ.
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit.
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any reason why we're not betting the turn here?
and im indifferent about the river raise...its okay vs most
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Originally Posted by meeloche
You can have A10 of hearts or JJ.
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit.
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Thanks for correcting my range. I didn't see that I can't have T9. Actually I might sometimes check behind ATs no hearts and sometimes bet ATs hearts.
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any reason why we're not betting the turn here?
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I never open this wide UTG so I guess I was in a BU mindset where I check behind for pot control and free card. We should def be betting the turn.
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The more I think about this hand the more I hate the raise.
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit.
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Based on the actual board and lines taken I agree with this. But I don't agree with this after villain's sizing. Unless I had some read that villain likes to make small bets with big hands to induce or something.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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meeloche
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Originally Posted by pocketfours
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Originally Posted by meeloche
You can have A10 of hearts or JJ.
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit.
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Thanks for correcting my range. I didn't see that I can't have T9. Actually I might sometimes check behind ATs no hearts and sometimes bet ATs hearts. |
Thats just how I would view your range I guess you could have 910 i would heavily discount it though based that you're utg and how I expect that you were playing which is probably not crazy laggy.
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Originally Posted by meeloche
Does he fold KQ/KJ cause I expect him to have that a lot. It also should be mentioned that he can have more strong hands on the river than you can based on action which makes me not want to attempt to get him off shit.
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Based on the actual board and lines taken I agree with this. But I don't agree with this after villain's sizing. Unless I had some read that villain likes to make small bets with big hands to induce or something. |
I don't think we can discount that based on sizing since p4's hand doesn't look very strong at all.
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