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zook
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11-12-2008, 11:30 PM
Post subject: 2/4 - squeezed pot, another weird play from same villain
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Villain is the same one as in this thread who donked two streets in a 3bet pot with a flush draw after calling a 3bet oop with T8s. This is one day later, so that hand is somewhat fresh in my mind, and I assume his. WTF is this?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($474.25)
Hero (BB) ($474.60)
UTG ($400)
MP ($445.50)
CO ($567.40)
Button ($1057.50)
Preflop: Hero is BB with Q , 10
1 fold, MP raises to $14, 1 fold, Button calls $14, 1 fold, Hero raises to $64, 1 fold, Button calls $50
Flop: ($144) 3 , A, 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $80, Button raises to $180, Hero...
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Fnord
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He's either bruffing or leveling you.
Sick thought: If you shove does he snap with Tens?
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zook
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my thoughts exactly
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griffey24
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hmm this is weird.. esp given that he flatted the first raise, and then flatted your squeeze. If this was just a raise and 3bet call, I'd say he could show up with AK here sometimes.. but now i don't think he can.
This could be AQ though, and he's trying to induce some madness or something.
I suppose you could OOP float here... and I'd expect him to shutdown with his air a lot...but it seems pretty spewy with no SD value.
meh just fold, and own him the next hand!
Though I think if i had 88-TT here I'd be very tempted to call.
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Fnord
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Really hard to float here given how little money is behind.
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Really hard to float here given how little money is behind.
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True.. but this is what also makes it even less likely that he'll bluff, no?
I mean a float OOP here is definite spew, but I think a decent amount of time I"d expect it go to turn check check.. river you shove and river he folds.
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i would mostly fold but once in a while float- if there were more money behind i would float a much larger %. on dry ace flops with this spr you should consider leading like 1/4-1/5 pot. this way you have a lot more maneuverability vs someone who likely has a weak range but may still be able to put u in ugly spots. its still super easy to get all in on the remaining streets when u have the goods.
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I'm such a fish but i shove, i dont believe this at all.
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i would mostly fold but once in a while float- if there were more money behind i would float a much larger %. on dry ace flops with this spr you should consider leading like 1/4-1/5 pot. this way you have a lot more maneuverability vs someone who likely has a weak range but may still be able to put u in ugly spots. its still super easy to get all in on the remaining streets when u have the goods.
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totally agree with this.
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zook
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i would mostly fold but once in a while float- if there were more money behind i would float a much larger %. on dry ace flops with this spr you should consider leading like 1/4-1/5 pot. this way you have a lot more maneuverability vs someone who likely has a weak range but may still be able to put u in ugly spots. its still super easy to get all in on the remaining streets when u have the goods.
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This is why I still post hands. ty.
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i've had a lot of success floating these spots, checking the turn through and shoving the river.
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wow wtf. I shove here because I have no clue what he has that isn't a bluff that plays like this. Quads seem the likeliest non bluff and f u quads.
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griffey24
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For those that want to re-bluff here, if we have 99-TT here are we calling to bluff catch on the turn?
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bode
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wait, why cant he have an ace here? like AJ+? with the recent history i feel like he would be calling with a more top heavy range in this spot. I guess button's cold call makes this scenario less likely?
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Originally Posted by bode
wait, why cant he have an ace here? like AJ+? with the recent history i feel like he would be calling with a more top heavy range in this spot. I guess button's cold call makes this scenario less likely?
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He can have an ace here, but its pretty unlikely that he'd raise many of his aces here, especially since given PF he should rarely have AQ/AK. So his line looks pretty bluffy, when most of his weakish aces should be flatting this flop.
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wow, this is way beyond my level of play, I don't understand anything in this thread at all.
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I shove here pretty fast. The floating ideas are very interesting though.
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I dont get floating OOP here. What are we doing, hoping he checks turn and then we fire river? Maybe its a level (stakes) thing. People I play against just dont do that very often. I'd float here if I had the goods because I expect them to fire turn so much.
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bode
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Originally Posted by griffey24
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Originally Posted by bode
wait, why cant he have an ace here? like AJ+? with the recent history i feel like he would be calling with a more top heavy range in this spot. I guess button's cold call makes this scenario less likely?
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He can have an ace here, but its pretty unlikely that he'd raise many of his aces here, especially since given PF he should rarely have AQ/AK. So his line looks pretty bluffy, when most of his weakish aces should be flatting this flop. |
makes sense. I guess with their recent history i feel like he is leveling us here with a good Ace/33(obv unlikely)/or something we have little to no equity against like KK/QQ almost as much as he is on a pure bluff.
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
I dont get floating OOP here. What are we doing, hoping he checks turn and then we fire river? Maybe its a level (stakes) thing. People I play against just dont do that very often. I'd float here if I had the goods because I expect them to fire turn so much.
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